Page 4 | To think this petition is not ok

NotInMyBackYard1 · 2017-02-09T20:03:53+00:00

Just that really - a man convicted of possessing indecent images of children has returned from prison and gone back to live at his parent's house. The locals have got hold of this information and have now set up a petition to get him 'rehomed' somewhere with no children. Outer Hebrides? My view is he's done his time, he wants a fresh start, as long as he keeps himself to himself then just let him be? This petition doesn't sit well with me at all.

LoupGarou · 09/02/2017 21:37

but that doesn't mean we need to shun them and bay for their blood

I would be interested to know how many people would genuinely be happy to have such a person in their lives and around their children.

user1478860582 · 09/02/2017 21:37

If it was my kid Chelazia of course I would want them swinging.

But, and here is the big but. Tell me how you would stop these crimes. The death penalty isn't coming back and life imprisonment for all offences wouldn't happen. So what would you do in the real world?

SemiNormal · 09/02/2017 21:37

Well of course they would have to report it, if they act upon their urges other people are at significant risk of harm. However, if you really wanted to prevent yourself from causing that harm you would accept and acknowledge that the need to report it to ensure others safety was there. Yes but at what cost? if they were reported and the police felt they would like to investigate, which they could do even if a crime had not been committed, then they could lose their wife/family, their job, their home, their friends... pretty much everything, they could be targetted by vigilantes etc - all that even if they haven't done anything wrong and are in fact trying to seek help, I'm sorry but I can understand why many don't want to risk it.

Sweets101 · 09/02/2017 21:38

GP not GPS!

SemiNormal · 09/02/2017 21:40

I would be interested to know how many people would genuinely be happy to have such a person in their lives and around their children. - I don't think anyone would be 'happy' about it at all but the fact is there are paedophiles in probably most communities, ones who haven't offended, ones who have, ones who have been caught, ones who will never be caught ..... surely it's better to do something constructive about it rather than waving pitchforks?

SuperBeagle · 09/02/2017 21:40

Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, OP. There's a reason that they get such harsh sentences in some countries. It's because they've realised that slapping a sentence and some rehab on a pedo does not, in fact, reform them.

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NotInMyBackYard1 · 09/02/2017 21:40

Sweets you may be onto something there - the petition does call for a place with no children, perhaps the GPS can assist with this.

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SittinginaSleazySnackBar · 09/02/2017 21:42

Do some countries not use chemical castration ?
I'm sure I've watched a documentary where it was mentioned, but I don't know anything about it.

SuperBeagle · 09/02/2017 21:43

Do some countries not use chemical castration ?

This is absolutely useless when dealing with a pedophile, and there's a reason it's not done in most countries.

LoupGarou · 09/02/2017 21:43

Then who, semi are these people not shunning them going to be? Are there any people out there who would happily associate with such a person? Who would accept them?

Chelazla · 09/02/2017 21:44

In the real world if they were near my home and kids is let them know I knew, I'd let every single person I could know who they are so they could keep their kids safe too. I would care a jot about their feeling be it a petition to get them out or everyone hating them that upset them. I'd be openly hostile, id make it clear they were not welcome near my children. I'd phone the police if they so much a dropped a piece of litter. It's not my job to cure these people, it's my job to keep my kids safe.

SemiNormal · 09/02/2017 21:44

Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, OP. - Not all paedophiles commit an offence, therefore not all need to be rehabilitated, but some may want some support to help them deal with their attraction in order to help them not offend in the first place.

Lynnm63 · 09/02/2017 21:44

I apply the "lottery test" that is if X won the lottery would they commit Y offence. Generally burglary, fraud etc no, paedophilia comes 100% in the hell yeah category. I wouldn't want one near my kids.

JAPAB · 09/02/2017 21:45

This thread is about a child sexual abuser, not a paedophile.

Do we actually know that? The OP just mentions possession of images.

Part of me thinks that just because someone likes to look at nude or sexual images of a particular demographic, that does not mean they are a sexual danger to that demographic. So with no evidence of contact crimes or intent of committing them, then on release they've done their time.

But then of course anyone can understand people not wanting to take the risk. Well, ultimately people can sign whatever petitions they want. But if it succeeds, they might have to search for a while to find a village or town with no children.

user1478860582 · 09/02/2017 21:46

Personally Sweets I would like to see some sort of centre where you can confidentially ring up and access help. But who would pay for it? The government would come under fire in the current climate for paying for it and no charity would ever get any donations.

If it saved kids though, surely it has to be worth it?

Sweets101 · 09/02/2017 21:46

semi the current system may not be ideal but if someone wanted to seek help so as not to offend they would, could and can. The police are actually pretty discrete pre-charge, as far as they can be. And post charge anything is only ever shared to protect people from harm that is their job. The prevention of crime is as much a part of their duty as the detection.

SuperBeagle · 09/02/2017 21:47

Not all paedophiles commit an offence, therefore not all need to be rehabilitated, but some may want some support to help them deal with their attraction in order to help them not offend in the first place.

Obv. I didn't say that all pedophiles committed offences. Their attraction to children still cannot be changed. I have no problem with pedophiles who haven't committed offences seeking help to ensure that they don't offend, but there's still no changing the mindset.

Sweets101 · 09/02/2017 21:48

Part of me thinks that just because someone likes to look at nude or sexual images of a particular demographic, that does not mean they are a sexual danger to that demographic. So with no evidence of contact crimes or intent of committing them, then on release they've done their time
No if you view it you are party to that person's suffering for your own enjoyment. If you share it on, you are encouraging others.

SuperBeagle · 09/02/2017 21:48

Part of me thinks that just because someone likes to look at nude or sexual images of a particular demographic, that does not mean they are a sexual danger to that demographic. So with no evidence of contact crimes or intent of committing them, then on release they've done their time.

Possessing compromising images of children is a crime. You don't have to touch someone to commit a sexual offence.

anaiis · 09/02/2017 21:48

Sweets, your post re seeking help is rather naive. The help available to, for example, anyone who has viewed indecent images, is limited and can prove difficult to access prior to a conviction. Many people want help, but without basically handing yourself in to the police it's almost impossible.

And then of course you are convicted, and become a target for hatred and misguided petitions.

The OP is talking about an indecent images offence. Whilst some who commit those as a gateway, or incidental to contact offences, many do not, and indeed those who do not, with necessary treatment, often do not reoffend. They may well therefore be less of a danger to society than the drug dealers round the corner, or the family across the road with the dangerous, untrained dog, or the man in the downstairs flat who beats his wife. Yet if course no one is petitioning for those people to move.

As for not wanting to have a paedo next door, the last few years have demonstrated you probably have more to fear from your child's scout leader, priest teacher or football coach, all those fine upstanding members of society...

Sweets101 · 09/02/2017 21:51

You don't need to hand yourself in to the police if you haven't committed a crime. If you know you might and seek help then multiple agencies need to share that information for safe guarding purposes. That doesn't mean you will be subject to a pre dawn raid.

pineapplesplit · 09/02/2017 21:52

YANBU its for the justice system to decide. If people actually think the justice system is wrong they should campaign about that with specific ideas and reasons why it should change. This type of thing is just people venting 'rightous' anger on an individual. I personally find it self indulgent. If you arent happy about the way people are sentenced for certain crimes then campaign about that. I find personal vendettas against individuals an indulgence in the worst of human nature. They usually cause far more damage than good.
Its an easy way to get self esteem and fake reassurance. I know its just a petition but when its against one specific individual who has served their time i class it in the same book as vigilante type behaviour, those people who take it upon themselves to send hate mail and post identifying picks on facebook in the hopes other people will harrass the individual.
There are far better and more productive ways to spend your time. Its Jeremy Kyle level behaviour. I dont think it protects any kids at all it just makes people feel like they are.

LastnightaDJ · 09/02/2017 21:53

OP - there are children in the Outer Hebrides too you know!

SuperBeagle · 09/02/2017 21:53

As for not wanting to have a paedo next door, the last few years have demonstrated you probably have more to fear from your child's scout leader, priest teacher or football coach, all those fine upstanding members of society...

This is true. The stats show that around 9 times out of 10, if a child is sexually or physically abused, or kidnapped or murdered etc. it's going to be someone they know that does it, not Joe Bloggs from two streets away.

Chattymummyhere · 09/02/2017 21:55

Question to those who think pedophiles can be changed/helped... If one is to believe this is all a sexual desire/preference one that is deeply ingrained. You won't ever change that, people used to think being gay was something that you beat/medically treat out of someone it's not (and no I'm not meaning to compare being gay with being a sexual predator clearly huge difference but in the context of pure sexual preference it's the same).

You can not change a persons built in sexual preferences yes some will never act on it but you won't ever stop them having thoughts, no I don't like pedophiles and I wouldn't want one near my home or my children.