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The most unreported thread ever. Trump thread 9

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amispartacus · 07/02/2017 22:23

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2847535-Week-3-What-will-this-week-bring-Trump-thread

There are loads of other threads. But MN aren't highlighting them. Why not? I demand to know.

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TheClaws · 09/02/2017 00:58

Deejoda The American spelling of judgement is 'judgment'. Just eliminates the 'e'.

TheClaws · 09/02/2017 01:19

I wouldn't have picked on it as a misspelling at all, but a variation.

ZebraOwl · 09/02/2017 04:05

A quite spectacularly awful tweet from Trump that's currently doing the RT rounds:
"If the morons who killed all of those people at Charlie Hebdo would have just waited, the magazine would have folded - no money, no success!" (14/01/2015)

That's just to remind you how good his judgement is as I let you know that Sessions, his top pick for AG has been confirmed, despite having been thought (by a Republican-majority senate) to be too racist to be a Federal judge.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/08/jeff-sessions-confirmed-attorney-general-senate

www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15O027

Natsku · 09/02/2017 06:21

Just woke up to see DT tweeting triumphantly about Sessions, urgh.

That bad lip reading video was brilliant! Grin

And yay, Finland has done its Finland Second video, shall watch it now

Natsku · 09/02/2017 06:25

Well disappointed that the video didn't mention our supermarkets that used to be branded KKK (only changed the name in the last ten years when they finally realised that KKK means something else outside of Finland Grin )

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 09/02/2017 06:30

Finland's is very scenic but not at all funny, IMO. The Dutch and Moroccans still have it for me. It has made me want to go on holiday to Finland though. Grin

CaveMum · 09/02/2017 07:07

Any news on who might do the Britain video? I did tweet The Last Leg in the hope they might pick up on it!

saffronwblue · 09/02/2017 07:10

Moi Natsku. I liked the Finland video. The Australian one was ok but much comedians talkin to an internal audience.
Weird, back in the BDT era 3 weeks ago I was worried he would declare war on Iran and China. Did not pick Australia and Nordstrom as the first enemies.

Natsku · 09/02/2017 07:22

I was quite disappointed with the Finland one, rubbish voice and just not as funny - they should have got me to help them make it Grin

Definitely come on holiday to Finland illegitimate tis pretty here :)

Pestilentialone · 09/02/2017 07:24

We don't need to do a UK one. Theresa May did it.
We have a Queen, a great Queen, the best Queen.
She even grabbed his hand, so he couldn't grab her pussy.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 09/02/2017 07:27

Natsku - There was a great documentary about Tove Janssen about 18 months ago that made me want to visit. I also loved her Summer Book. I'm open to recommendations.

Anyhoo, back on topic...

Natsku · 09/02/2017 07:32

Love Tove Janssen. The best author, all the rest are rubbish, she's great, so great. Plus I loved how openly lesbian she was back in the day when it was still frowned upon.

Lweji · 09/02/2017 08:23

I couldn't believe Trump really put down Charlie Hebdo, but it's true. Confused
I suppose he didn't like their analysis of him.
They've had some great covers since then.

BiglyBadgers · 09/02/2017 08:25

I love the moomins! My DDs middle name is in homage to the moomins. They are my desert island disk book pick (when I finally get my rightful place on desert island disks that is Envy )

BiglyBadgers · 09/02/2017 08:27

But the way, anyone got thoughts on the poll he tweeted about the trump administration being more trusted to be truthful that the news media? How do you deal with people believe someone who openly lies over the media whose job it is to report those lies? Confused

Lweji · 09/02/2017 08:36

That poll has a margin of error of +- 3.9.

It means the results are too close and therefore meaningless.

www.theecps.com/

Lweji · 09/02/2017 08:39

In other words, only results that are different by 7,8 can reasonably be trusted.

Assuming the sampling was done properly and the questions asked were sufficiently neutral.

amispartacus · 09/02/2017 09:12

A different poll

poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2428

Oppose 50 - 40 percent restarting the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines;
50 percent support more government regulation of financial institutions while 37 percent say increased regulation hurts the economy;
Oppose 49 - 39 percent removing regulations on businesses and corporations;
Oppose 61 - 29 percent removing specific regulations intended to combat climate change.

American voters do not believe, 61 - 28 percent, that three to five million non-citizens voted in the 2016 presidential election. The biggest problem in presidential elections is voter suppression, 33 percent of voters say, while 30 percent say voter fraud is the biggest problem and 29 percent point to outside interferenc

Voters say 56 - 33 percent that U.S. Senate Republicans were wrong to prevent for 10 months a vote on President Barack Obama's nomination of Judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. But these same voters say 65 - 25 percent that Senate Democrats should allow a vote on the new Gorsuch nomination.

But voters oppose 59 - 38 percent building a wall along the border with Mexico. Opposition to the wall rises to 63 - 35 percent if the U.S. has to pay for it.

A total of 72 percent of American voters are "very concerned" or "somewhat concerned" about climate change. Only 17 percent of voters say the U.S. is "doing enough to address climate change," while 18 percent say the U.S. is "doing too much," and 59 percent think "more needs to be done to address climate change.

poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2427

American voters oppose 51 - 46 percent President Donald Trump's order suspending for 90 days all travel to the U.S. from seven nations, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Voters oppose 60 - 37 percent President Trump's order suspending immigration of all refugees from any nation to the U.S. for 120 days, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.

Voters also oppose 70 - 26 percent Trump's order suspending indefinitely all immigration of Syrian refugees to the U.S.

Trump's executive order on immigration will make the nation more safe, 38 percent of voters say, while 39 percent say it will make the U.S. less safe and 21 percent say the order won't affect safety.

The executive order on immigration is intended to be a ban on Muslims, voters say 51 - 45 percent. Mainstream Islam is a peaceful religion, 58 percent of American voters say, while 26 percent say Islam encourages violence.

"Homegrown jihadists" pose the greater terrorist threat to the U.S., 56 percent of voters say, while 17 percent say "radicalized foreign visitors" are a greater threat and 14 percent say "terrorists hiding among Syrian refugees" are a greater threat.

"Message to President Donald Trump: 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free' still has profound resonance with Americans," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

"Significant pushback on immigration tells the president that many voters are not on board with a ban on refugees and that voters are strongly opposed to holding back those most threatened, Syrian refugees."

American voters oppose 50 - 44 percent "suspending immigration from 'terror prone' regions, even if it means turning away refugees..." This reverses the findings of a Quinnipiac University poll conducted January 5 - 9, before President Trump was inaugurated, showing voters supported this measure 48 - 42 percent.

A total of 70 percent of American voters say it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that there will be a terrorist attack in the U.S. with a large loss of life.

IF this

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lingle · 09/02/2017 09:14

Oh fuck

Thank you fly and your other.

What next? Follow Muslims into the voting booth?

Shit shit shit.

TuckersBadLuck · 09/02/2017 09:22

Did anyone find out what 'Easy D' means?

BiglyBadgers · 09/02/2017 09:25

That poll has a margin of error of +- 3.9.

It means the results are too close and therefore meaningless.

I wouldn't say close is the same as meaningless. It may mean that the headline is overstating things, but even the idea that people consider Trump's administration, that has clearly and obviously lied, to be close to as trustworthy as the media that is reporting the lies would concern me.

BiglyBadgers · 09/02/2017 09:29

That poll is interesting Ami in that assuming it is accurate it suggests that while people have a general distrust of the media or a general support of the government when you ask about specific issues you get different results. One of the messages I hear a lot in interviews or discussions with poeple who voted trump is that they don't agree with him on all issues, but they don't feel that this matters as they like the overall message or tone.

BiglyBadgers · 09/02/2017 09:34

From the Emerson College poll, it looks like everyone hates the DeVos nomination. Is had assumed that private schools would support her but it looks like that isn't really the case, though they are less opposed than the public schools. I wonder if pushing her through could actually prove a bit of a mistake.

"Trump’s nomination of GOP mega-donor Betsy DeVos for Secretary of Education is opposed by a majority, 51%, of registered voters. Only 34% of registered voters support DeVos’ nomination to the cabinet post, while roughly 15% remain undecided on the controversial nominee. DeVos’ nomination is opposed by voters who attended both public and private school, but voters who attended public school – of which DeVos’ is a strong opponent – oppose her nomination by a significant 19-point margin, 32%/51%. Voters who attended private school also oppose DeVos’ nomination, but by a smaller 11-point margin, 42%/51%."

amispartacus · 09/02/2017 09:38

The raw data

www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a-1b5a-d7b6-a15e-5b5fe03e0001

www.politico.com/f/?id=00000159-f6e8-dd8b-afff-fffddfcf0000

58% on wrong track
49% approve / 41% disapprove of Trump
Top issues - economy 31% Security 19%
48% approve of wall, 42% disapprove
55% approve of reducing funding santuary cities 32% disapprove
44% of people don't believe Trump on voter fraud.25% do

IF he is going to use that poll to justify his views, THEN he needs to look at the other things people are saying.

It would have been ironic if CNN had used data from that poll as a headline and he had dismissed it - but then used other data from that poll for himself.

A few things - that is a lot of questions
Phone poll - who owns a phone, when did they ring
Location
Weighting

It is a very hard process in a country of 250 million people to sample 2000 people and scale up / adjust to reflect the country.

You could probably repeat the same process, same questions to another 2000 people and get different answers.

But wow - it's great to see the raw data and neutral questions.

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