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The most unreported thread ever. Trump thread 9

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amispartacus · 07/02/2017 22:23

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2847535-Week-3-What-will-this-week-bring-Trump-thread

There are loads of other threads. But MN aren't highlighting them. Why not? I demand to know.

Grin
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amispartacus · 08/02/2017 13:01

I am wondering how someone can not know who Trump is?

edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

But I am under no illusion what many people think....

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amispartacus · 08/02/2017 13:03

If this country,England, had only English people, it would be much better environment for the English people......

From that link

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Formerpigwrestler9 · 08/02/2017 13:03

The problem is not so much the terrible spag, it's the fact that he spills his unedited gobshite straight out, he should be surrounded with advisors whom he trusts to check his communications

It's as if he has no self awareness, he's a fountain of arrogance, he thinks he is dispensing crystal waters
No Donald its just shit, you are spewing out shit cuz that's all you got

cozietoesie · 08/02/2017 13:06

Is it a sure thing that he even drafts those tweets though? Who is to say that it isn't someone else?

GingerIvy · 08/02/2017 13:09

cozie I would say odds are that he does - they are very similar in style and substance to what he's been tweeting for years.

GingerIvy · 08/02/2017 13:17

Daniel W. Drezner ‏*@dandrezner* 19s20 seconds ago
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The very definition of damning with faint praise: "Still, not all of Trump’s phone calls have gone off the rails."

www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-foreign-leaders-phone-calls-234770

cozietoesie · 08/02/2017 13:18

There's probably not one person on this thread that couldn't draft an EP tweet if called to, Ginger.

BiglyBadgers · 08/02/2017 13:23

*Thoughts? Convenient? Genuine criminal?

The Independent ‏*@Independent* 1m1 minute ago
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Russian opposition leader banned from challenging Putin for presidency ind.pn/2kNwsbg*

Very convenient...rather like all the convenient deaths recently of people who have been in opposition to Putin. I don't know the substance of the allegations nor the evidence, but Putin does not have a great record when it comes to allowing open opposition in Russia.

merrymouse · 08/02/2017 13:28

I think there is a difference between spelling errors on tweets and spelling errors on documents that should have been proof read.

If nobody has proof read the terrorist list, what else aren't they checking? The implication is that this wasn't carefully thought out, googled by an intern.

Why don't WH staff appear to know that the PM of Australia isn't the president and Theresa May spells her name with an 'H'?

I would have thought that traditional republicans would be quite hot on spelling and protocol. If these are all mistakes by low ranking staff, why aren't they being held to a higher standard?

The most likely reason is that WH admin and organisation is a mess and they haven't managed to hire competent staff, which gives credence to all the leaks about WH chaos.

BiglyBadgers · 08/02/2017 13:29

I think Trump does his own tweets, but he would not have written the list himself. The fact that it went out with so many errors suggests a chaotic environment with a lack of due diligence. Everyone makes typos and mistakes, but I would expect anything that was going to the press to go through a number of people who would check and approve it before it went out. Either this did not happen in this case or everyone who signed off on it also missed the errors. Not a great indication that this is a well run administration (if further indication was needed).

NoCryingInEngineering · 08/02/2017 13:31

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to articulate this clearly enough, it's a bit tangled even in my own head. But I'll give it a shot.

I completely agree that if the President of the USA can't read well enough to figure out what he is signing, and is also being played by key advisers then that is a massive problem. It's a bit of a different problem to the one that's bugging me.

I also agree that the content of the tweets varies between terrifying and just weird. The idea of a head of state just ranting at a global audience online isn't something we have had much time to get used to.

But essentially, any response ridiculing the language used is going to put (maybe only subconsciously) a huge proportion of people on the defensive because a little bit of their brain is going 'well who honestly knows how to spell 'superficial' anyway?'.

On the other hand responses pointing out that most adult humans, never mind adult humans in vaguely responsible jobs, don't need to congratulate themselves publicly every time they tie their own laces might be just as effective at pointing out that what he is doing is crazy without making any one feel looked down on.

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amispartacus · 08/02/2017 13:32

When it comes to this debate are people discussing immigration, Islam, refugees or terrorism?

I sometimes think that there is a lot of mixing up and making one idea a big thing when it's being a trojan horse for another idea.

Such as with immigration. He built up the idea that illegal immigration was linked to rape and murder - with the message that IF you were concerned over his attitudes towards illegal immigrants, that must make you someone who bears responsibility if an illegal immigrant commits a crime.

At the same time, I don't think he's overly bothered about violence towards women.

You see the same here. If you express concern over the way some people discuss immigration, refugees and attitudes towards Islam, that automatically (in some people's eyes) makes you someone who is to blame if such people commit rape.

It's what Trump is doing. He's putting any blame for any terrorist event on the judge and the people who are protesting - but the people who are protesting are protesting about the attitude towards refugees and the stereotyping.

I am sure there is an MN word for that behaviour.

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merrymouse · 08/02/2017 13:33

The implication is that this wasn't carefully thought out, but googled by an intern.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 08/02/2017 13:35

I agree with Badgers, the issue is, if they haven't checked the list properly before sending it out for spellings and content, then how on earth could they expect people to believe the content has been checked - which clearly it hadn't.

How on earth can they be trusted with foreign and military policy if they can't check a document with even half an eye before sending it to the press?

PausingFlatly · 08/02/2017 13:36

I agree, NoCryinginEngineering.

NoCryingInEngineering · 08/02/2017 13:36

And yes, anything going for issue to an outside body in most organisations would be checked by at least one person other than the originator. Pointing out that the fact this clearly hasn't been done effectively is a marker or a chaotic and poorly run organisation is again probably more effective than just pointing out the typos.

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amispartacus · 08/02/2017 13:37

The implication is that this wasn't carefully thought out, but googled by an intern

No doubt someone is trying to find the website they came from..

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cozietoesie · 08/02/2017 13:39

I take your point, NoCrying, but I think that you're trying to 'normalise' this into something you can understand and deal/live with.

All of this reminds me of nothing so much as a group of adults in a room with a 3 year old with a loaded gun - all trying to persuade him to put it down. Using reason.

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amispartacus · 08/02/2017 13:40

How on earth can they be trusted with foreign and military policy if they can't check a document with even half an eye before sending it to the press

You know how schools and teachers get criticised on AIBU for spelling errors in newsletters? This is on a slightly bigger scale Grin

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GingerIvy · 08/02/2017 13:44

I am sure there is an MN word for that behaviour.

There are loads of words on MN for Trump's behaviour.

I personally like the word fuckwittery, but I'm sure there are others just as suitable. Grin

Deejoda · 08/02/2017 14:00

Loving the videos. I think the India one was an excuse to brag about how great India is and not produced by a comedian. Personally, love Mars because that would be a nice place for him to go on a break (one-way ticket pls).
On a serious note, have the elected senators just been effectively gagged? Surely that cannot be legal?
And what is happening with Melania really? Do you think their marriage has broken down irrevocably so she has to be in a different state so her true feelings aren't picked up?

merrymouse · 08/02/2017 14:01

The thing is, he isn't just tweeting about his favourite sports team or a new grandchild, he is writing strongly worded tweets about Iran and China.

He conducts policy via tweet.

GingerIvy · 08/02/2017 14:01

Will McCants ‏*@will*_mccants

Director of Brookings Project on U.S. Relations with the Islamic World, Johns Hopkins adjunct. Edits jihadica.com . Author of The ISIS Apocalypse:
22h22 hours ago
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Hearing rumblings that White House is going to push for MB designation soon. Here are the legal hurdles they face:

www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/01/30/should-the-muslim-brotherhood-be-designated-a-terrorist-organization/