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Trump thread 6

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 18:52

And it's only been a day since no 5

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ZebraOwl · 31/01/2017 13:55

BigBadgers
That pro-Trump petition is eye-bleedingly badly-worded. And SPAGged. (I don't care that's not a verb, it should be.).

I'd be quite interested to see if it loses any signatures, too - the Brexit petition did last year, I know (though not many) & it is POSSIBLE the anti-Trump one might (though funnily enough the claims on Twitter all day yesterday that it was going to be halved in number etc don't seem to have worked out...) though tbh with numbers this high it probably wouldn't be very noticeable even?

Roussette · 31/01/2017 13:56

Some great posts here, been working and now catching up.

For those who can't get past the paywalls on some of the US press, if you do it incognito/private window, it goes straight through. (someone else told me this!)

Lweji · 31/01/2017 14:00

I wonder what his tickers would be FOR.

More like: "days since I fucked up another country"

Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 14:01

Wow,brave and inspiring speech from the Mayor of Washington

www.joe.ie/news/watch-everyone-needs-see-boston-mayor-marty-walshs-speech-immigration/575078?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=onsite_share

Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 14:03

Rousette I didn't really understand those instructions! Blush

Roussette · 31/01/2017 14:07

Hi Destinty...

What I do is... right click on any link on this thread where I know I am out of free articles (say NY Times or whatever) and depending on your browser, there is the option to "open link in incognito window" (I'm Chrome) and it will take you directly to that article without problems.

It might call it "private browsing" on other browsers!

Lweji · 31/01/2017 14:08

Destinysdaughter

If you use Chrome, for example, go to the side three vertical dots and choose "New incognito window"

If Firefox, it's "New Private Window".

Explorer: Tools, Safety, InPrivate Browsing (I think)

If on mobile/tablet, they'll have similar names.

Roussette · 31/01/2017 14:09

This is a comment from Belgium.
King Philip delivered an outspoken attack on both Brexit and Trump’s election in his annual address, De Standaard reports.

Without mentioning either country by name, the prince said that the US and Britain have decided to focus mainly on their own policies.

“This is contrary to their tradition of openness and generosity,” said King Philip. “The year 2016 we will be forever remembered as the year when two great friendly countries decided henceforth to pay particular attention to themselves and their policies’, said King Philip.

“We will not succeed in restoring confidence by turning back the clock, from a kind of utopian nostalgic thought. Nor by erecting walls,” he warned.

Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 14:18

Thanks for those tips, will try them!

Found another inspiring speech, from a Reverend, it's v heartening to hear so many pp with influence speak out.

thinkprogress.org/rev-barber-these-times-require-a-new-language-and-a-new-fusion-coalition-c741b9eb1b47#.knaxx1spb

Lweji · 31/01/2017 14:19

Trump tweet watch (TTW):

Donald J. Trump ‏***@realDonaldTrump* 24h24 hours ago
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Where was all the outrage from Democrats and the opposition party (the media) when our jobs were fleeing our country?

Erm... they weren't!

Donald J. Trump ‏***@realDonaldTrump* 13h13 hours ago
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The Democrats are delaying my cabinet picks for purely political reasons. They have nothing going but to obstruct. Now have an Obama A.G.

Yes, because they are great choices. Hmm

Donald J. Trump ‏***@realDonaldTrump* 3h3 hours ago
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When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn't work!

Hopefully never. What goes around comes around. Good on the Democrats. They've been reasonable for too long.

From the POTUS statement about the new Attorney General
"“I am honored to serve President Trump in this role until Senator Sessions is confirmed. I will defend and enforce the laws of our country to ensure that our people and our nation are protected,” said Dana Boente, Acting Attorney General."

Well, if she does, then she'll be sacked very quickly.

Lweji · 31/01/2017 14:20

About that new language.

It looks like it's time we talk about alt-Democracy in the US.

Peregrina · 31/01/2017 14:21

Farage is the reason for Trump's State Visit invitation.

zeezeek · 31/01/2017 14:23

Could this lead to the break up of the United States?

I've frequently spent time in the States for work and attended conferences there. However, if that tweet about checking visitors social media and phone contacts is correct then I'm not sure I would be let in. Probably not at all considering my passport shows that i've visited Iran several times in the last few years.

MercyMyJewels · 31/01/2017 14:28

This is a very interesting podcast, written by former Whitehouse staffers advising on how to challenge the trump agenda, based on the very successful tactics used by the Tea Party. It can be downloaded via podcast app (itunes/stitcher/pocket casts etc) or to a pc.

www.bestoftheleft.com/_1075_indivisible_a_practical_guide_for_resisting_the_trump_agenda

The podcast Best of the Left is good too. (Although the Young Turks piss m )

MercyMyJewels · 31/01/2017 14:28

..that would be 'piss me off'

squishysquirmy · 31/01/2017 14:29

Seen this? Not explicitly liked to Trump's Muslim ban, but interesting choice of words and timing. Prince Philip is much more outspoken than the queen, and I imagine would be even more so in private. I would love to be a fly on the wall if he is present for Trump' state visit.
www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/31/lessons-holocaust-being-forgotten-prince-charles-world-jewish-relief

ZebraOwl · 31/01/2017 14:30

On subject of conferences, a multidisciplinary boycott of academic conferences in the U.S. in response to the Muslim Ban has been set up: www.docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNN_2HHREt1h-dm_CgWpFHw8NDPGLCkOwB4lLRFtKFJqI25w/viewform?c=0&w=1&fbzx=2104368019732744200

Peregrina · 31/01/2017 14:31

Could this lead to the break up of the United States?

Who knows how far apparently random acts can go? The shooting of someone in Sarajevo led to War which led to the collapse of both the Ottoman and Ausro-Hungarian Empires, sowed the seeds of continuing tension in the Middle East, sowed the seeds for the rise of Hitler.

So, a broken UK, a broken US and God knows what in the Middle East and Russia?

Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 14:34

Scary article in NY Times about the power and influence Bannon has...

www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/president-bannon.html?_r=0

cozietoesie · 31/01/2017 14:34

There seems, already, to be more than one America, Peregrina.

Lweji · 31/01/2017 14:35

I have to give it to him, Trump is not wrong about everything...

Clearly, someone has been in MN.

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cozietoesie · 31/01/2017 14:36
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Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 14:47

President Bannon?

Plenty of presidents have had prominent political advisers, and some of those advisers have been suspected of quietly setting policy behind the scenes (recall Karl Rove or, if your memory stretches back far enough, Dick Morris). But we’ve never witnessed a political aide move as brazenly to consolidate power as Stephen Bannon — nor have we seen one do quite so much damage so quickly to his putative boss’s popular standing or pretenses of competence.

Mr. Bannon supercharged Breitbart News as a platform for inciting the alt-right, did the same with the Trump campaign and is now repeating the act with the Trump White House itself. That was perhaps to be expected, though the speed with which President Trump has moved to alienate Mexicans (by declaring they would pay for a border wall), Jews (by disregarding their unique experience of the Holocaust) and Muslims (the ban) has been impressive. Mr. Trump never showed much inclination to reach beyond the minority base of voters that delivered his Electoral College victory, and Mr. Bannon, whose fingerprints were on each of those initiatives, is helping make sure he doesn’t.

But a new executive order, politicizing the process for national security decisions, suggests Mr. Bannon is positioning himself not merely as a Svengali but as the de facto president.

In that new order, issued on Saturday, Mr. Trump took the unprecedented step of naming Mr. Bannon to the National Security Council, along with the secretaries of state and defense and certain other top officials. President George W. Bush’s last chief of staff, Joshua Bolten, was so concerned about separating politics from national security that he barred Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush’s political adviser, from N.S.C. meetings. To the annoyance of experienced foreign policy aides, David Axelrod, President Barack Obama’s political adviser, sat in on some N.S.C. meetings, but he was not a permanent member of the council.

More telling still, Mr. Trump appointed Mr. Bannon to the N.S.C. “principals’ committee,” which includes most of those same top officials and meets far more frequently. At the same time, President Trump downgraded two senior national security officials — the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, a role now held by Gen. Joseph Dunford Jr., and the director of national intelligence, the job that Dan Coats, a former member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and former ambassador to Germany, has been nominated to fill.

All this may seem like boring bureaucratic chart-making, but who sits at the National Security Council table when the administration debates issues of war and peace can make a real difference in decisions. In giving Mr. Bannon an official role in national security policy making, Mr. Trump has not simply broken with tradition but has embraced the risk of politicizing national security, or giving the impression of doing so.

Mr. Trump’s order says that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the director of national intelligence will attend the principals’ committee meetings only “where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed.” Could there be any national security discussions when input from the intelligence agencies and the military will not be required? People in those jobs are often the ones to tell presidents hard truths, even when they are unwelcome.

As his first week in office amply demonstrated, Mr. Trump has no grounding in national security decision making, no sophistication in governance and little apparent grasp of what it takes to lead a great diverse nation. He needs to hear from experienced officials, like General Dunford. But Mr. Bannon has positioned himself, along with Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as the president’s most trusted aide, shutting out other voices that might offer alternative views. He is now reportedly eclipsing the national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.

While Mr. Trump long ago embraced Mr. Bannon’s politics, he would be wise to reconsider allowing him to run his White House, particularly after the fiasco over the weekend of the risible Muslim ban. Mr. Bannon helped push that order through without consulting Mr. Trump’s own experts at the Department of Homeland Security or even seeking deliberation by the N.S.C. itself. The administration’s subsequent modifications, the courtroom reversals and the international furor have made the president look not bold and decisive but simply incompetent.

As a candidate, Mr. Trump was immensely gratified by the applause at his rallies for Mr. Bannon’s jingoism. Yet now casually weaponized in executive orders, those same ideas are alienating American allies and damaging the presidency.

Presidents are entitled to pick their advisers. But Mr. Trump’s first spasms of policy making have supplied ample evidence that he needs advisers who can think strategically and weigh second- and third-order consequences beyond the immediate domestic political effects. Imagine tomorrow if Mr. Trump is faced with a crisis involving China in the South China Sea or Russia in Ukraine. Will he look to his chief political provocateur, Mr. Bannon, with his penchant for blowing things up, or will he turn at last for counsel to the few more thoughtful experienced hands in his administration, like Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and General

fleuricle · 31/01/2017 14:56

Anti state visit petition now up to 1.7 million...

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