..... to ask for your help annoying Donald Trump.

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Assuming you are a right thinking individual, who thinks kissing the short fingered vulgarian's arse is demeaning to this country, please could you:

1. Sign a petition against his getting the full state visit treatment. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

1. Post below, to bump the thread. Give us your best insults about President Fart, link to an anti-trump memes, or just suggest candidates for the worst thing he's ever said.

Feel free to disagree vociferously below as well :-)

That was to cobweb, btw.

We are expressing our shock, our horror, our feelings on what he is doing that not only affects Americans but affects citizens of the UK also.

Exactly. There are a small minority of apathy what's-the-point it's-not-our-placers on both of these threads now.

International protest and outrage DOES matter.
It increases domestic pressure on Trump.
It supports the US citizens and residents who are protesting.
It shows the people affected by this that they're not alone; the world isn't doing a vast shrug as they have their rights removed and are basically denounced as enemy aliens, whatever their legal status (and so many of the people barred from entry, or now landlocked in the US for fear of being denied entry, are greencard holders: legal permanent residents).

Just for one example, look up the internment of Japanese-Americans in WW2: rights denied, lives ruined, in a racism-fuelled drive for national security. Decades later, there are official apologies and museums and books. At the time, very few people spoke in support. This can't happen again.

If you can't work up the energy to condemn this, you're not detached from the problem: you're part of it. Politicians such as Trump need a band of vocal, dedicated supporters, and an even larger mass of people willing to let things slide because it's not really their business.

Fwiw I am under no illusions that he won't get his visit. Of course he will. TM is so far up his hole she is licking his tonsils.

Yes but I think banning him from making a state visit is rather antagonistic and that sort of ban probably is more suited to presidents or prime ministers who are not democratically elected?

You do know Hitler was democratically elected? Should we have invited him to stay at Buckingham palace and ask Kate to get her tits out for him?

Jeez, when did humanity become so passively supine about everything? Ooo, there's no use boycotting US holidays, or discussing a ridiculous electoral outcome, or protesting a bells and whistles State Visit for a fucking sex offending fascist. Because, wah, it's over and we might make somebody a wee bit cross or something.

And it's not Godwin if we're actually talking about fascism, OK?

He's just terrrible. Despicable.

We call dating now in the house doing a Donald. I feel like it offends farts

Signed.
I'm from an immigrant background and certainly don't want any money out my taxes used to stage a lavish welcome for a racist, xenophobic and isolationist POTUS. What he has done in just one bloody week has affected and shocked too many people for us to even countenance inviting him here.

No I don't fully support it. I think it's the least bad option.

Obviously there are strong feelings about this.

I wonder if all this attention, even though it's negative, is feeding into the whole thing... "bad publicity is better than no publicity"?

Also what about all the visits from other leaders of countries with policies or behaviour that many British people disagree with - will they be protested against too?

For the PP saying Theresa May wasn't democratically elected - yes she was. We don't actually cast a vote for who we want to be Prime Minister. We vote for our local MP and the party with the most elected MPs form the government. That party vote within themselves for their leader. May was voted in my her constituents and by her party. She was democratically elected.

But I do agree that Trump is a horrible man and we should all be horrified at his recent actions

Do I have to point out Cobweb that Hitler was democratically elected? The world shamefully refused to challenge what was happening to the Jews for too long. We need to learn from history.

Signed. I think we should all do any act, no matter how small, to show our disapproval of Trump.

I think there's very little chance the visit will be cancelled, but with the strength of feeling about him in this country I imagine it's going to be absolute carnage when he does come. And I plan to be right there in the thick of it.

As a country we (UK) need to maintain a good relationship with USA

Only because we burnt our bridges with our biggest trading partner.....

I can't stand by while he is being a cock. At least make sure our spineless politicians have to justify thrie stupidity if they stand by and let him in.

I agree Distronaut. I'll certainly join in with the protests. Is 44 too old for your first demonstration?

I think we should all do any act, no matter how small, to show our disapproval of Trump

Totally agree natsku. If just one post, one share, one comment can make someone realise they way all this is going, I'll be happy. I'm certainly not going to say it's not our business... it really really is.

I don't think he should be refused. Let him come over and be subjected to Charles's environmentalist scorn, the British press corps and meeting people who hate him and over whom he has no power.

Also, the experience of interim power may reveal the dangers of Mike Pence who is so far off the hook, thanks to people's obssession with DT's gaslighting distraction techniques (and actual deeds: that entry ban is no distraction technique!). It's entirely plausible that there's a strategy forming out there, to impeach Trump once there's enough dirt on him, and install Pence.

The best advice I've seen recently is : "Play the ball, not the man." Berlusconi was wildly successful, too, except when he met with am opponent who wasn't distracted from the issues.

He has every right to visit our country and negotiate with our prime minister and parliamentary officials. I do however believe that the royal family should not be forced to entertain him on a personal level given the disparaging remarks he has made about them. I also suspect that Prince Philip alone may do more to harm UK/US relations in 5 minutes than asking him not to pop over to Buckingham Palace may do.

Also this:

For the PP saying Theresa May wasn't democratically elected - yes she was. We don't actually cast a vote for who we want to be Prime Minister. We vote for our local MP and the party with the most elected MPs form the government. That party vote within themselves for their leader. May was voted in my her constituents and by her party. She was democratically elected.

There have been many times when leadership of the party in power has changed during the time they were in charge, that's how we got Gordon Brown.

I can't understand who you all think you are

We elected our own leaders and all this shit is up to them re whether he gets his state visit. Unless some of you are MPs, it is not your choice. It is also not your choice how your taxes are spent. Unfortunately of course. I'd have liked my taxes to be spent on my mum's cancer surgery rather than it being a long wait, delayed etc. But, not my choice.

I am not a hard line right winger, I would not have voted Trump and I did not vote for Brexit. I would prefer Trump didn't have a state visit here. But I do understand my place, which is an ordinary member of the public. If I wanted to be an MP, I could pursue it, just as any of us could.

If they wanted our opinion they could hold a referendum: do you want Trump to come here on a state visit: yes/no
But the last referendum did not go so well so prob a bad idea!

Of course, you do have the right to go and stand in the street if/when he comes and shout that he is racist if you wish.

But I do understand my place, which is an ordinary member of the public.

What does this mean??

It means that I am not in a position of power. Like PM, MP etc.

So no one should complain? Or make their feelings known?

What a strange take on everything. Society thrives on free speech, we're not in NKorea

Well it's fucking lucky that some Europeans decided that being "ordinary members of the public" didn't mean they should turn a blind eye during the holocaust.

Go away and read some history books before spouting such utterly defeatist nonsense cobweb

"So not our business really, unless OP is American of course!" No need for insults :-)

In all seriousness, Cobweb, your first post was an eloquent defence of why the UK doesn't want to be too antagonistic (with which I agree). But you seem to simply counsel apathy:

"Unless some of you are MPs, it is not your choice."

Of course it is. We (the people) could make such a big fuss it brings down the government. Now that is neither likely, nor desirable but the idea that governments stoically ignore public opinion between elections is silly. I can't honestly think that you believe UK citizens have no right to voice an opinion over who the UK honours with a full state visit (Queen, banquets, speeches, pomp and all).

He should be blocked from visiting the UK in the same way as he is blocking entry to the US for those with dual nationality or from one of the 7 countries listed. He is a bully and Theresa May a wimp !