Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Trump thread continued

993 replies

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 17:01

Follow on from before.

It's not funny anymore. It' serious

OP posts:
Thread gallery
14
Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 11:41

Also from my previous link
'There appears to be a very tight “inner circle,” containing at least Trump, Bannon, Miller, Priebus, Kushner, and possibly Flynn, which is making all of the decisions. Other departments and appointees have been deliberately hobbled, with key orders announced to them only after the fact, staff gutted, and so on. Yesterday’s reorganization of the National Security Council mirrors this: Bannon and Priebus now have permanent seats on the Principals’ Committee; the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have both been demoted to only attending meetings where they are told that their expertise is relevant; the Secretary of Energy and the US representative to the UN were kicked off the committee altogether (in defiance of the authorizing statute, incidentally).
I am reminded of Trump’s continued operation of a private personal security force, and his deep rift with the intelligence community. Last Sunday, Kellyanne Conway (likely another member of the inner circle) said that “It’s really time for [Trump] to put in his own security and intelligence community,” and this seems likely to be the case.
As per my analysis yesterday, Trump is likely to want his own intelligence service disjoint from existing ones and reporting directly to him; given the current staffing and roles of his inner circle, Bannon is the natural choice for them to report through. (Having neither a large existing staff, nor any Congressional or Constitutional restrictions on his role as most other Cabinet-level appointees do) Keith Schiller would continue to run the personal security force, which would take over an increasing fraction of the Secret Service’s job.
Especially if combined with the DHS and the FBI, which appear to have remained loyal to the President throughout the recent transition, this creates the armature of a shadow government: intelligence and police services which are not accountable through any of the normal means, answerable only to the President.
(Note, incidentally, that the DHS already has police authority within 100 miles of any border of the US; since that includes coastlines, this area includes over 60% of Americans, and eleven entire states. They also have a standing force of over 45,000 officers, and just received authorization to hire 15,000 more on Wednesday.)
The third theme is money. Trump’s decision to keep all his businesses (not bothering with any blind trusts or the like), and his fairly open diversion of campaign funds, made it fairly clear from the beginning that he was seeing this as a way to become rich in the way that only dedicated kleptocrats can, and this week’s updates definitely tally with that. Kushner looks increasingly likely to be the money-man, acting as the liaison between piles of cash and the president.
This gives us a pretty good guess as to what the exit strategy is: become tremendously, and untraceably, rich, by looting any coffers that come within reach.
Combining all of these facts, we have a fairly clear picture in play.
Trump was, indeed, perfectly honest during the campaign; he intends to do everything he said, and more. This should not be reassuring to you.
The regime’s main organizational goal right now is to transfer all effective power to a tight inner circle, eliminating any possible checks from either the Federal bureaucracy, Congress, or the Courts. Departments are being reorganized or purged to effect this.
The inner circle is actively probing the means by which they can seize unchallenged power; yesterday’s moves should be read as the first part of that.
The aims of crushing various groups — Muslims, Latinos, the black and trans communities, academics, the press — are very much primary aims of the regime, and are likely to be acted on with much greater speed than was earlier suspected. The secondary aim of personal enrichment is also very much in play, and clever people will find ways to play these two goals off each other'

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:42

ABC News ‏*@ABC* 2m2 minutes ago
More
Protesters at Philly Airport started singing 'This Land Is Your Land' on Sunday amid reports of families detained. abcn.ws/2jHtcgs

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:46

I am really hoping to see Congress act before he manages to hobble them somehow. I am truly worried about him wresting control here. Ignoring the judicial branch should serve as a blazing red flag for Congress. You'll be next unless you act now.

User006point5 · 30/01/2017 11:46

All this must have surely been preplanned a long time ago for if Trump got elected. Everyone else is playing catchup. It's horrific.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:48

Carmen M Fernández ‏*@CarmenM*_Fdez 34m34 minutes ago
More
Jordanian denied entry to EEUU ,but Jordan NOT on banned list ,born in Syria #MuslimBan

chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-man-devastated-when-brother-sent-back-to-jordan/

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:49

Kathryn Brightbill 🖋 ‏*@KEBrightbill* 1h1 hour ago
More
Kathryn Brightbill 🖋 Retweeted 7 News Queensland
This Australian citizen was denied entry because he has an Iranian visa in his passport.

M0stlyHet · 30/01/2017 11:50

Yes. I think a lot of us (at any rate, I did) made the mistake of thinking the danger Trump posed was that he was a self-obsessed narcissist with no understanding of geopolitics who would blunder into dangerous situations through ignorance.

The truth appears to be much scarier. His strings are being pulled by a group of people who are highly intelligent, have studied the American constitution in forensic detail, know exactly where its vulnerabilities lie, and are systematically exploiting them to put a totalitarian regime in place.

Just writing that feels like I've entered tin-foil-hat territory - but the evidence seems to be stacking up that this is exactly what is going on.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:50

Huffington Post ‏*@HuffingtonPost* 2m2 minutes ago
More
Google Doodle honors Fred Korematsu, activist who fought Japanese internment huff.to/2kFjwRT

Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 11:50

Are they trying to asset strip the USA, like Philip Green and bhs?
Is that the endgame?

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:51

Natasha Bertrand ‏*@NatashaBertrand* 19h19 hours ago
More
Wow--stunning detail from @theintercept here: Those denied entry, unaware of Trump's order, were still charged with breaking immigration law

THIS IS IMPORTANT!!! These people were charged and given a 5 year ban on their passport.

Lweji · 30/01/2017 11:51

I think this thread is forgetting the power of strikes and passive resistance.

At some point in hope that's what will happen, unless the system has already been too undermined. Sad

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:51

Former I suspect that is exactly what they're doing.

Destinysdaughter · 30/01/2017 11:52

You can donate to the ACLU here:

action.aclu.org/secure/donate-to-aclu

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:53

I'm not forgetting. I have hope. I have faith that it can be stopped. But it's going to be very ugly.

BigBadgers · 30/01/2017 11:54

*The truth appears to be much scarier. His strings are being pulled by a group of people who are highly intelligent, have studied the American constitution in forensic detail, know exactly where its vulnerabilities lie, and are systematically exploiting them to put a totalitarian regime in place.

Just writing that feels like I've entered tin-foil-hat territory - but the evidence seems to be stacking up that this is exactly what is going on.*

When does a conspiracy theory stop being a conspiracy theory. Or rather, just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
Arrrghhhh! The world has gone mad.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 11:54

His strings are being pulled by a group of people who are highly intelligent, have studied the American constitution in forensic detail, know exactly where its vulnerabilities lie, and are systematically exploiting them to put a totalitarian regime in place

Could be true but the plan itself maybe too much of a long shot, too many people can now see what's going on?

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:55

The Independent ‏*@Independent* 2m2 minutes ago
More
Iraq just voted to 'retaliate' against the US 'Muslim ban'

Not sure what that will be as they already stated yesterday they were not going to allow US citizens in Iraq and advised them to leave immediately.

BigBadgers · 30/01/2017 11:55

Hmm...Bit of a holding fail there

BigBadgers · 30/01/2017 11:55

Bolding... Bloody hell, I should just give up

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 11:55

Jim Roberts ‏*@nycjim* 53s53 seconds ago
More
UPDATE: PM Theresa May’s gov’t rejects call to block Trump’s visit to UK, but Members of Parliament push for debate. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/british-dual-citizens-will-now-allowed-travel-us-boris-johnson/

ZebraOwl · 30/01/2017 11:56

I kept misreading GSA as GAA in the article about "security agencies apparently haven't the sense any one member was born with when it comes to thinking they perhaps might not want to rent buildings owned by [at least some] other countries". Jesus Mary & Joseph. The GAA doubtless COULD have told them that, in fact.

Lweji · 30/01/2017 11:56

Could be true but the plan itself maybe too much of a long shot, too many people can now see what's going on?

Yes, but he's launched it as a blitzkrieg. Confused
It will take time for the proper channels to react and then it may be too late.

DameVanillaSugar · 30/01/2017 11:56

Just putting this here. I have to laugh otherwise I'm going to cry.

Trump thread continued
Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 11:57

Trump as useful idiot is just too much of an idiot, too crass too offensive to win over enough people?

User006point5 · 30/01/2017 11:57

His strings are being pulled by a group of people who are highly intelligent, have studied the American constitution in forensic detail, know exactly where its vulnerabilities lie, and are systematically exploiting them to put a totalitarian regime in place.
I think you are exactly right here. They have also studied psychology, re handling/manipulating Trump. This is so serious.
I have faith that it can be stopped. But how?