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Trump thread continued

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amispartacus · 29/01/2017 17:01

Follow on from before.

It's not funny anymore. It' serious

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Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 10:25

True you can't burn the internet, he must see it as a threat though and will surely seek to control the flow of ideas and information?

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:25

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Protest rally against the MuslimBan to be held in Exeter today www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/anti-muslimban-protest-rally-to-be-held-in-exeter-today/story-30096345-detail/story.html

M0stlyHet · 30/01/2017 10:25

His pick for the vacancy on the Supreme Court is expected today or tomorrow, Ginger - that will be interesting.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:26

I still don't think they've grasped the idea that there are ALWAYS copies of what was there before to refer to. Always.

MsHooliesCardigan · 30/01/2017 10:26

Floisme Maybe when he visits the U.K, instead of turning their backs, everyone should point at him and laugh.

M0stlyHet · 30/01/2017 10:27

Thanks for that Ginger - now I know what DS and I will be doing this evening!

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:27

Het - it will be something that supports their attempt to tear down Roe v Wade. That's one of their goals.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:28

I think turning their backs and being utterly silent would be stellar. Can you imagine?

Sorry - that last post to Het - should be someONE not something. Multitasking. Looking over a comprehension page while doing this. Grin

merrymouse · 30/01/2017 10:28

The thing is we expect countries like China to abuse human rights. We are supposed to share values with the US. If welcoming the president of the US is as controversial as welcoming the Chinese, the world order has changed.

May can talk about the 'special relationship', but if a state visit from the US means managing protests all over the country, desperately briefing the royals on protocol, opposition politicians gaining popularity by critiscizing rather than jockeying for position, and vastly increased security, we all know it's a load of bollocks.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:30

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Starbucks to hire 10,000 refugees in response to Trump’s Muslim ban huff.to/2jMLSss

While this is interesting, I'm sceptical. They tend to be all talk, no walk. I'll believe it when I see it. If anyone sees anything saying they're already hiring, I'll apologise for my scepticism.

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 10:30

I think turning their backs and being utterly silent would be stellar. Can you imagine

Have you seen the Hunger Games? We need a symbol.

But turning your back. Followed by others. Silent, dignified,

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User006point5 · 30/01/2017 10:30

All the petitions etc will do nothing to change things. It's time for the Republicans to stand up and be counted - assuming they disagree with Trump. It makes no difference what the Democrats say - I think Trump enjoys all the protests so he can cock a snook and say losers.

There was a vote, and Trump won. Surely there must be a growing number of Republican senators etc who disagree, and are willing to speak out? That's what's needed to stop him. Everyone expects his opponents to protest.

Re Theresa May - as she is evidently so bad at answering questions on the hoof, she needs to prepare a stock answer, along the lines of she will look into the situation and prepare a full answer when she has studied the facts.

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 10:31

desperately briefing the royals on protocol

Prince Charles - can you imagine?

Hell, even William and Harry. Mind you, the DM would just focus on what Kate was wearing rather than the concerns of many peoplel

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:32

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Stephen Miller, on Fox News: "What you're seeing is a small reaction from a small number of people"
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I mean, in fairness, estimating crowd size is clearly not this administration's strong suit.

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PausingFlatly · 30/01/2017 10:32

From the article 'What “Things Going Wrong” Can Look Like':

measuring these timelines accurately and knowing when to jump is the most basic survival skill I was taught from childhood. While most people who know this skill have the conversation very quietly, late at night, when nobody is around to hear, I also know that this time people are affected who don’t have twenty generations of practicing this behind them, so we need to speak out loud sometimes.

I’m reading this as "1933 playbook continues on schedule, pace slightly higher than last time: something between maybe 1.2x and 2x, but without the possibility of a major land war to show up on the horizon." For foreign-born Muslims and Latinos who are undocumented, related to someone undocumented, or who might be confused for undocumented, I’d say that the red flag is up, and it’s time to consider exit strategies with a 6-month window. US-born Muslims, Latinos who have more stability inside the country, and Jews have a somewhat longer time horizon available, but I’d start quietly thinking about options for when things change. Advice for the black and trans communities is simpler, because everyone already knows it: Organize! The advantage there is in numbers and shared strength, and in community. That’s also good advice for all of the other groups: even if you’re thinking about your exit strategy, you have very good reason to make common cause, and for everyone to work and pull together. That’s the thing that has a chance of preventing all of this, and of saving the most lives when that fails. "

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 10:32

Surely there must be a growing number of Republican senators etc who disagree, and are willing to speak out

Speaking out when you supported someone must be the hardest thing.

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User006point5 · 30/01/2017 10:33

Starbucks to hire 10,000 refugees load of bollocks designed to get more customers, is my take on this. Weren't they a company over here who didn't pay their taxes that go to support poorer people, refugees etc?

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:34

This horrifies me. Will Trump be next to do this? Bannon has a previous arrest record on file for DV (it's been floating about twitter for days). Trump has a history also, based on comments from his exes.

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:35

User006 Exactly why I'm sceptical. They're fast to make a headline, but their follow through is usually nonexistent.

User006point5 · 30/01/2017 10:37

Speaking out when you supported someone must be the hardest thing.
Yes, but without that, what can be done? Surely there must be some with guts. It's all happening so quickly, so they must move fast. Maybe if a few Republicans start, it might snowball. I'm assuming here that there are a significant number of highly placed Republicans who disagree with Trump, and can see which way he's going.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:38

Surely there must be a growing number of Republican senators etc who disagree, and are willing to speak out

Speaking out when you supported someone must be the hardest thing.

I would also say that some of them are gauging the mindset of the people they represent, with a view to elections next year. Midterm elections means if they stand up for what's right, but their constituency gets angry about that, they won't be in office after the elections. The silence is deafening as they try to gauge which way to jump. Lack of ethics.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:40

I think if Trump dismantles the power of the judiciary, you will see Congress leap into action (I hope). Their thinking at that point will be - hmm... three branches. We're one, he's dismantled the other. If he dismantles us, it will be only him left. They won't smell the smoke until the fire is right at their door. Hmm How they can be complacent when they've put their trust in a madman is beyond me.

merrymouse · 30/01/2017 10:40

All the petitions etc will do nothing to change things.

Depends who signs them.

All Trump's power is based on the fact that he could get the vote out when his Republican rivals couldn't.

If he loses his supporters he loses his value to the Republican Party.

I think his conflicts of interest might suddenly become more important if the GOP thinks it can ditch him.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:41

Newsweek ‏*@Newsweek* 52s52 seconds ago
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Donald Trump has some reassuring words for South Korea bit.ly/2kJNmbt

ZebraOwl · 30/01/2017 10:41

Mmmm, maybe Starbucks should think about closing their branch in Trump Tower - they could easily relocate I'm sure, so no job losses...