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Trump thread continued

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amispartacus · 29/01/2017 17:01

Follow on from before.

It's not funny anymore. It' serious

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 09:36

Jordan's King Abdullah II to visit Washington, D.C. on Monday

Is Jordan on the list?

It reminds me of this:

(light relief)

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 09:37

Ian Birrell ‏*@ianbirrell* 3m3 minutes ago
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Trump, nationalism and our demeaning post-Brexit foreign policy - my @theipaper column inews.co.uk/?p=44100

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 09:41

If there had been a terrorist attack on Westerners carried out by an extremist, you would have bet Trump would have used it to justify his actions.

Hang on, that's what's just happened....And Trump's said nothing.

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merrymouse · 30/01/2017 09:46

Does anybody know what extreme vetting means? How is it different to normal vetting? I know it's already very difficult to travel to the US as a refugee, and I also know that the US has been refusing access to British citizens for undisclosed reasons for years. (E.g. the ones Katie Hopkins had to apologise about).

Marcipex · 30/01/2017 09:56

The petition has just gone over a million.

acornsandnuts · 30/01/2017 09:58

The petition has just gone over a million. yet still being ignored.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:00

amispartacus sorry, not had coffee yet and been up for a few hours (I know, what am I thinking - must get coffee soon), but I'm not sure if I said something wrong there? I ignore a lot of the WTF are the Americans doing comments, as I know where they are coming from. I have days where I think the same thing. Grin We often have threads on MN that trash Americans mercilessly, and sometimes I wade in, but more often do not, because it's depressing that people are so foolish as to assume that because a few people they've met are the sum total of an entire country.

I've been in the UK for 13 years. I would say I probably have a more British view of politics and the world than many of my American acquaintances, based on discussions we've had. Yes, moving to the UK has changed my way of thinking on many matters (some for the good, some perhaps not), but even when I was living in the states, having never been to the UK previously, I would never EVER have voted for Trump. Ever.

I do think that many voted for him out of exasperation over the fact that government was not listening. Many voted out of a misplaced idea that he was more in touch with the common people than Clinton was - that his lack of social skills made him more human than the polished politicians on the television. Some are now realising that the political situation is dangerous right now. Some have not, and they are still in 100%, blindly following this madman into chaos. Some always will. What drives them? I can't really say - I just have no idea. Perhaps it is a blind fear of terrorism or a hatred of anything different that might threaten their beliefs. I suspect the main reason is fear... of people or things or religions that are different, of the possibility that they or their way of life may be wrong, of losing, of everything.

I was in the states during 9/11. I was in the UK during 7/7 bombings. The reactions I saw from the Americans and the British were vastly different. The Americans reacted much like a child realising that the monster under the bed was actually real and had reached out and grabbed their ankle. The British were resigned, but resilient. Very "this has happened before, this will happen again, we will push through it and go on." It was a completely different atmosphere. I feel safer in the UK because of that reaction. Is that rational? I don't know. But I didn't see the widespread panic, the ongoing shocked comments about how this kind of thing hasn't happened since Pearl Harbor, the horrified comments of "what if it happens again" that I saw in the states. It was very practical here in the UK. Sort the immediate chaos, make sure people are okay, and continue about our daily lives. Be alert, but continue to LIVE. And that makes me feel grounded and secure. Silly, perhaps, but that's where I am. These demonstrations show that many Americans are not living in fear, but in hope, and I like that. It gives me a bit of comfort that perhaps things are changing for the better, despite Trump.

Sorry for the long post. I don't know if this helps regarding some of the thought processes I've seen in America or not. If not, no worries. It felt good to put it out there.

M0stlyHet · 30/01/2017 10:00

But even if the petition is being ignored by May and her merry men it still matters - it matters to my American friends who are terrified by what is happening to their country, and need to know that others are on their side, and that the mealy-mouthed performance of May re. the Muslim ban is widely abhorred by many many British people.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2017 10:01

informal roman that really ties it all up together to show how terrifying all these individual acts are. Plus if you add denouncing the press, it's hard to see how this isn't going to lead to a coup, and one happening in plain sight at that.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/01/2017 10:03

I guess the issue may be how do you tell the worlds biggest bully that he isn't invited to the party anymore just a couple of days of telling everyone you are going to be best buddies.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:03

This is VERY concerning, considering he is ignoring the federal judges.

The Independent ‏*@Independent* 45s46 seconds ago
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Donald Trump just deleted an entire branch of Government from the White House website

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/donald-trump-judiciary-judges-muslim-ban-immigration-government-white-house-website-branches-a7552566.html

Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 10:06

Interesting piece (IMO) on the processes by which autocracies descend into corruption and ruin
umairhaque.com/how-to-survive-autocracy-5bdfe13dd759?source=placement_card_footer_grid---------2-40

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:07

Huffington Post ‏*@HuffingtonPost* 3m3 minutes ago
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#FailedAmericanSlogans are terrifying new mottos for a nation under Trump huff.to/2kFb3hx

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 10:08

We often have threads on MN that trash Americans mercilessly, and sometimes I wade in, but more often do not, because it's depressing that people are so foolish as to assume that because a few people they've met are the sum total of an entire country

I totally agree - people shouldn't be judged by where they come from. As you know, that's exactly what Trump is doing. Labelling a group based on the views of a minority - it's what's happened through history.

Trump would hate it if he thought people were labelling Americans based on the actions of a few. But he can't see that is exactly what he is doing to others. Cognitive dissonance.

Same here - people say Muslims should be banned because of attitudes to women but at the same time, they aren't bothered about attitudes to women expressed by other people or male violence. People get angry when challenged about that thought process.

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merrymouse · 30/01/2017 10:14

I fully expect May to 'ignore' the petition. (Well, unless it gets a ridiculous number if signatories).

It is more likely than not that the Queen will have to meet Trump. She had to host Ceausescu so why wouldn't she have to put up with Trump?

What we don't have to do is show our support or make him welcome. He is still the man who claimed that London has 'no go areas' and incited violence and hatred at his rallies.

We don't have to treat him like any other American president.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 30/01/2017 10:17

Aren't the royals best buddies with all sorts of corrupt leaders?

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 10:19

What we don't have to do is show our support or make him welcome

The Chinese President visited in 2015 and before.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/19/xi-jinping-uk-visit-pro-china-groups-blocked-drummers-protest

The police can take a hard line to protestors. There will be a lot of protestors there.

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MsHooliesCardigan · 30/01/2017 10:20

This really isn't funny anymore. How does he think he can get away with just deleting anything he doesn't agree with? As a PP said, You can burn books but you can't burn the internet.The proof of his insanity is there for everyone to see.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:20

John Mann ‏*@JohnMannMP* 6m6 minutes ago
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If Trump is invited to Parliament, he will have a humiliatingly small attendance to listen to his address.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:21

I suspect he's making changes to the judiciary. Expect an EO today that reduces their powers.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:21

Newsweek ‏*@Newsweek* 1m1 minute ago
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Donald Trump's immigration ban draws criticism from U.S. soccer star bit.ly/2kiwgR7

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:22

Matt Haig ‏*@matthaig1* 10h10 hours ago
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The worst thing about 2016 was that it was followed by 1984.

PausingFlatly · 30/01/2017 10:23

Thank you very much for the link to the coup article by Yonatan Zunger.

I've just read that and another article by him: What “Things Going Wrong” Can Look Like.

Again, it's very uncomfortable reading - but I think essential. It gets past the shock and handwringing to set out likely scenarios and timetables for the persecutions likely to be enacted by the Trump regime.

He identifies Muslims, Latinos, Black, and Trans people as the groups likely to be explicitly named for persecution, and describes why and how he thinks each will be targeted.

Floisme · 30/01/2017 10:24

I'm struggling to find any humour too but I still think it's really important to keep on laughing at him. It's the one thing he can't deal with.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 10:24

David Schneider ‏*@davidschneider* 14m14 minutes ago
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The only people not signing the petition to #banTrumpFromUK are the writers of The Crown as it'll make a cracking episode for season 8.

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