To remind people it is Holocaust Memorial Day

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We should remember and teach our children to remember.

I wouldn't go onto a thread on world heart disease day and say "but what about MS day?". I recognise that both are important and that a day about one thing does not mean others are not important. There's a time to talk about MS and it doesn't have to be on world heart disease day.

The whataboutery on this thread is uncomfortable and disrespectful but not surprising for MN.

The whataboutery is uncomfortable and disrespectful - I agree.

I don't understand how remembering the holocaust ignores other atrocities. It's feels odd that I even feel that I have to say that.

I don't understand how remembering the holocaust ignores other atrocities. It's feels odd that I even feel that I have to say that

You feel you have to say it because it insinuates others are claiming it does. It's a way of shutting down debate.

It's a way of shutting down debate.

No one is shutting down debate!

Yes bambie, Hitler, totally supported the Armenian genocide, and practiced on the Armenians before the Jews.

Stlitzvert while I agree that anti Semitism in rife again (often hidden by anti Zionism) only half the number of Jews that you quote left France in 2016 - 5000 not 10,000 - a reduction on the 7,900 who left in 2015 after the January atrocities in Paris.
www.thelocal.fr/20170109/5000-more-jews-leave-france-for-israel

This thread isn't quite what I expected... But I came on to recommend people to look at the Twitter account @Stl_Manifest which has been publishing names and sometimes photos of over 250 Jewish people murdered by the Nazis because their ship of refugees was turned away by US in 1939. Here's just one, Evelyn Greve. Each name a tragedy. And so terrifying that borders are being closed again.

Oh Rose, Evelyn's lovely face

In tears again.

It was lovely to see upthread that this thread has alerted at least one of us to the Armenian genocide for the first time.

I am so sorry for the suffering of all the innocents killed or injured just for being who they were. And for all their families and descendants.

Some very powerful writing on this thread. Thank you to everyone who has written testimony about their family.

Here is some information about the Armenian genocide, for those who would like it

www.armenian-genocide.org/genocidefaq.html#How_many

Some very sad pictures, of the genocide in which some of my family died

mediachecker.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-armenian-genocide/

Thank you Aeroflotgirl.

That's ok Dorcast, we are still fighting to get it recognised in the west, and for Turkey to accept their hand in it and apologise!

Aeroflot thank you for posting that. I am so just sorry it happened at all.

I read an amazing Armenian history book about the genoicide but also other happier phases of Armenian history by the guy who gave this interview - Richard Hovannisian:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0422-morrison-hovannisian-20150422-column,amp.html?client=safari

Oh yes Pretty, my mum has some books on him, the name is familiar. It is very sad, Hitlar, practised on the Armenians before inflicting his autrocities on the Jews, and others. Before my grandma died, she talked about fleeing Armenia as a baby with her parents, and making the long journey across from Armenia, Turkey and then Cyprus, where they ended up and my mum was born. My grandfathers brother was killed and another uncle of my mum's but her father was spared as he converted from Christian to Muslim, then converted back to Christianity once they arrived in Cyprus.

Very interesting article Pretty, I diden't realise there are Armenian Chinese people. My mum is Armenian and dad Anglo Saxon English, so its diluted as we marry people from different cultures.

My mother's parents took in a Jewish girl called Ruth when my mother was young (DOB 1930) unfortunately, I presume during the war years or just before. I never asked or wrote down all the details. They lost touch much later on and I think Ruth emigrated to America (ironically). All the Jewish children had to have sponsors in UK, it wasn't made easy even then.

My DS works with uni students all over the UK, he says anti-Semitic views are rife in many, many unis. He also alerted me to the fact that Exeter Uni is heavily funded by one of the rich Arab states (can't remember which). It's very worrying.

Thanks for the info re Exeter - shall warn my dd not to apply there ( I hated it when I visited it many years ago anyway).

Holocaust Memorial Day reminds me to think - not that I ever forget - of all those in my family , my people and across Europe who lost their lives in the Holocaust.

And yes, of all those who have died in other genocides.

To the Armenian posters here, I had certainly heard of the Armenian genocide - it was huge - and am surprised that there is a poster here who previously was unaware of it. But I agree with you it has not been talked about as much as it should, for obvious political reasons ie not to upset Turkey.

On a Holocaust Memorial Day that Trump chose to announce the banning of entry to Syrian refugees, it is vital that all those of us who understand the effects of discrimination and the experience of being refugees or the children of refugees, stand together to oppose this shameful decision.

Was just reading other thread about Trump, horrific.

I'd also heard about the Armenian genocide and Turkey's continued refusal to recognise it. I do like history though, so perhaps that's why. It's also one of the only positive things re the Kardashians that I can think of, as they have made a point of mentioning it. I don't even know how I know that

I know, I was reading an article that pretty posted, and I agree with it, when it says, the Armenians prefer it to be in the past, and want to look froward. I don't think their voice is big enough either.