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To bloody love Madonna for doing this?

308 replies

Destinysdaughter · 21/01/2017 22:19

I've been watching the speeches from the Washington women's march today and have felt so inspired and uplifted by them, it's really given me hope, didn't know Madonna was going to be there and I don't want to take away anything from the other speakers as they've all been brilliant but I just wanted to say well done Madonna for being there and adding your voice ( and admittedly celebrity kudos and attention) to this amazing show of dissent, power and love.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/live/2017/jan/21/womens-march-on-washington-and-other-anti-trump-protests-around-the-world-live-coverage?page=with:block-5883cfe4e4b00b8fc2ae363c#block-5883cfe4e4b00b8fc2ae363c

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TheDayIBroke · 22/01/2017 22:12

SuburbanRhonda these women were already going to march, so why not make it worthwhile?

TheDayIBroke · 22/01/2017 22:18

SuburbanRhonda FYI I was not criticising those who weren't marching, but those who were as they could have chosen a far worthier cause. Basically it was Have-A-Go-At-Trump March. Trump is here, he is president, so they could march for something worthwhile.

SuburbanRhonda · 22/01/2017 22:24

Why didn't you go to the march yourself with your own placard and make it "worthwhile"?

HattiesBackpack · 22/01/2017 22:25

Stubbornstains-
would you call the women protesting inspirational and courageous ?

Because I think that does a great dis-service to the all the women out there who really are inspirational and courageous.

Protest by all means, but dont try and make out that these protests are anything more than a walk in the park.

Prompto · 22/01/2017 22:29

The footage of shops and cars being damaged was on inauguration day and was nothing to do with the women's marches. All the reports I've read state that there was no violence or vandalism on these marches.

Why are 1000's of U.K. Women marching in protest against the American president but didn't march in protest about the abuse of women/children happening in their own country?

The marches were in support of women's rights everywhere and not specifically a protest against Trump being elected president but they were timed to coincide with the start of his presidency because he's the current poster boy for misogyny and sexism.

Prompto · 22/01/2017 22:31

I don't think they've achieved "nothing". People are talking about, they're talking about issues facing women and they're talking about the empowerment of women.

That's hardly nothing.

SuburbanRhonda · 22/01/2017 22:34

And they rattled Trump.

After initially deriding the women who marched as people who "didn't vote", he later toned it down and conceded that peaceful protest is an important part of democracy (no shit, Donald).

MuteButtonisOn · 22/01/2017 22:53

"Because I think that does a great dis-service to the all the women out there who really are inspirational and courageous."

Agree completely.

TheDayIBroke · 22/01/2017 23:11

Prompto I don't think they're talking about women's empowerment or women's issues positively.

In fact, I think this march has backfired because of the likes of celebs who have made their fortunes and careers out of showing all their bits and pieces and trying to shock people. It had a feel of a celebrity "look at me" parade, climbing on the "Hate Trump" bandwagon.

I can't take them seriously when there was no massive outcry/demonstrations/flag burning regarding Bill Clinton and his rampant ways, nor Hilary's support for him. Oh, he's a Democrat, sshhh. Empowerment, indeed.

HattiesBackpack well put.

vichill · 22/01/2017 23:18

madonna has no integrity. a complete dick. scarlett johannsen went up in my estimations though.

GimmeeMoore · 22/01/2017 23:28

Madonna would turn up for opening of an envelope if it benefited her.oppurtunist
madonna giving it woo-hoo and b,ow em up at event is her manipulating media
Why are you sad?sad we don't agree with your summation of madonna motives,and her rotten speech

HattiesBackpack · 22/01/2017 23:36

TheDayIBroke -
Thank you.
(I'm off to bed now but will return to thread tomorrow)

SuburbanRhonda · 22/01/2017 23:44

I don't think they're talking about women's empowerment or women's issues positively.

So, again, as you didn't answer last time, why weren't you there with your own banner, showing the protesters the error of their ways?

NinjaLeprechaun · 23/01/2017 00:33

"What rights is Trump actually proposing to remove from women?"
Very basically, the right to bodily autonomy.
It's not just about abortion, but, riding on the pro-life wagon he's intending to defund Planned Parenthood. Only a tiny fraction (something like 3%) of PP's services are abortion related - and none of them publicly funded. What Planned Parenthood does do is offer, among other things, birth control and birth control education, STI testing and treatment, and cancer screening, to both men and women. They do this regardless of a person's insurance status or ability to pay. Trump and his administration also intend to repeal the Affordable Care Act, leaving millions with no health insurance and no alternative.
People will die because of this, many of them will be women.

Madonna is crass and tactless, and I don't personally care for her, but if you care to look past the words she uses to find out what she's actually trying to say she's very often right. (And she didn't tell anybody they should blow up the White House, ffs.)
Based on the well-known people I follow on Twitter, there were a lot of 'celebrities' at marches around the country, and none of them were there to give speeches or court publicity. They were there because they're all human people who are, and/or care about, women.

I'm in the US, and I can't speculate on why there were marches in other countries - the people involved will have their own reasons and I don't expect them all to be the same.
The fact is the Trump was 'democratically elected' by only the narrowest of definitions - and that definition does not include the popular vote. The President is meant to answer to the American people, not the other way around: He (along with every other politician) is an employee, nothing more and nothing less. I feel like the marches here were intended to bring attention to those two related points.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 23/01/2017 00:37

Well said Nina! Star

MuseumOfCurry · 23/01/2017 06:57

The fact is the Trump was 'democratically elected' by only the narrowest of definitions - and that definition does not include the popular vote.

The electoral college, love it or hate it, is hardly a 'narrow' definition of democracy. When you throw in the enormous spending gap between Clinton and Trump, his victory is even more compelling.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/01/2017 06:59

And she didn't tell anybody they should blow up the White House, ffs.)

Are you saying those words didn't leave her mouth?

SuburbanRhonda · 23/01/2017 07:21

The electoral college, love it or hate it, is hardly a 'narrow' definition of democracy.

And as I posted upthread, Trump
was quoted in the Washington Post as saying "the electoral college is a disaster for democracy" after the 2012 election.

Though no doubt Sean Spicer would now say he never said that and anyone claiming he did is part of a media conspiracy.

saoirse31 · 23/01/2017 07:24

Big shock...Celebrity gets themselves in the news...

Livelovebehappy · 23/01/2017 07:35

Personally I'm sick to death of celebs jumping on every cause, a lot of the time they don't even understand what the 'cause' is, and it's just a celeb fest where they just blindly follow each other like sheep. I think it actually damages the cause rather than helps it. Look at Brexit; so many celeb luvvies supporting the Remain vote - didn't help at all. Same with Trump. Literally practically all A listers were against Trump. Makes you wonder whether in fact celeb endorsement of any cause actually has the opposite effect and sends people running the other way.

SuburbanRhonda · 23/01/2017 07:40

But Trump believed that the entertainers who played at his inaugural concert were celebrities. He tweeted that nothing like the concert had ever been done before (it had - Obama).

So although he didn't get the A-listers, he clearly wanted them, but he had to pretend he was only interested in "the people".

Aeroflotgirl · 23/01/2017 07:49

Trumps policies still have to be passed by a Democratic senate, who could reject them.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/01/2017 07:52

Based on the well-known people I follow on Twitter, there were a lot of 'celebrities' at marches around the country, and none of them were there to give speeches or court publicity.

There would have been those there for that reason.

Let's however not be so naive to think that there wasn't an element there because it would do thir profile good to be papped.

JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 23/01/2017 07:55

she didn't tell anybody they should blow up the White House, ffs.

no, She outright said she thought about doing it....

Because she's a hypocryte.

if you care to look past the words she uses to find out what she's actually trying to say she's very often right.

Women aren't sex objects... but free blowjobs for all who vote Clinton!!!

It's wrong to sexually assult people... but SHE DID THIS ON STAGE TO AN 18 YEAR OLD!

She is a vile attention seeking woman, she is only out for personal gain.

JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 23/01/2017 08:07

Extremism is never good.