To have told the to licence man to piss off?

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I have phoned them so many times and told them we don't need a licence. I have a no licence needed declaration.
So when this guy stood on my doorstep and tried to read me some
Sort of "rights" was IBU to tell him to piss off before shutting the door on him? (It felt amazing)

The BBC are not going to fund broadband any more.

www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/05/bbc-review-confirms-phasing-funding-improve-uk-broadband.html

I don't listen to BBC radio, I have a Spotify subscription for music also listen to podcasts.

Yes yes I could have done the "our" typo on purpose

Anyway, I understand what you mean

The reality is that fewer and fewer people do watch TV. Especially with the younger generation, people use youtube, Netflix and the like and maybe a little bit a catch-up.

We don't watch TV, we don't even watch the BBC iplayer anymore - because there is nothing to watch that is to my liking.
The dcs never watch TV. They are glued on youtube.

This will be the reality for everyone much sooner than we think. The only think that is needed is a broadband that is a tiny bit quicker to avoid short stop in film that you are watching on streaming. And that's it. The experience wil be the same, except you will be able to watch what you want rather than you have.

So people who say "We never watch the BBC" have a big point OurBlanche. The lion's share of the licence fee money goes to that. I have never said it didn't! But it doesn't go directly from our bank to the BBCs coffers and if the relevant Minister decides to only forward some of the license fee the BBC raise then that is what they will do.

We do NOT pay the BBC, they collect the money and give it to the government who, by custom not law, give back a sum equivalent to that raised. But the license itself is not to pay for the BBC. That is the point some are missing, wilfully it seems.

And I have said a couple of times that it is an outdated concept!

But if you argue against it based on a misinterpretation then you can't put together coherent or effective arguments against it.

Just to be clear, license is not required for radio. Years ago there used to be a seperate radio license but this was abolished. Exception to this is if you are a public service.

The way warrants have been talked about on his thread make it seem they are issued often. They are very, very rare. Someone on a previous thread mentioned how many, well how little.

Detector vans don't work. If the vans
Actually worked then they wouldn't need to come in and check. They would be able to sit in their nice warm vans and see what you are seeing. Then use this info to gain a warrant to get access. Think about it.

As for why not just let them in comments. You might want to live in a society that believes in guilt until proven otherwise. Most of us don't.
We commit a crime, we are taken to court where both sides argue out their case, sometimes with a jury. Based on all the evidence guilt or innocence is decided. Why not just chuck all suspects in prison and then let them proove innocent.

And yes I am another scrap the license. It's outdated. It won't be the end of the Beeb. If the product is as good as claimed then people will still buy in and they will still be funded. Just the same way other subscription channels survive or the same as channels with ads do. The tech is there to scramble so there are no more excuses.

I wouldn't swear at him but I'm not bothered about the fact that someone else did. You wouldn't choose to do a job like that if you minded people being rude and my experience of them is that they are not exactly polite when they visit.

Just to clarify, even though it has been mentioned many times on this thread already. You need a TV licence if you want to watch or record live TV programmes on any channel. This applies to any provider and any device, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/HDD recorder.

Official information here

If you don't watch any form of TV then you don't need one.

I have a pretty accurate interpretation of it OurBlanche. Or are you being a bit sloppy with language again?

Sorry if this has been said but if your rights have been read he thinks he has found you out in something and that is a proper formal thing that's on your record as if you'd been arrested by the police.

Oh dear Confuddled, you really are aren't you? A non police caution is just that, a non police caution. It is made by an authorised officer under legal powers and should you accept the caution, you can then be prosecuted should you commit the offence again. Until such time as you are arrested and charged by police you will have no criminal record at all, so for a civil enforcement, there would be no record.

"Sorry if this has been said but if your rights have been read he thinks he has found you out in something and that is a proper formal thing that's on your record as if you'd been arrested by the police."

That's an outrageous lie.

All monies raised by the government, ie tv licence fees, national insurance, income taxes, VAT, road tax, etc, ALL go into one pot, called the Consolidated Fund.

Nothing is ring-fenced for anything. So the TV licence fee is not guaranteed to go straight to the BBC, in the same way that Road tax/Fuel Duty isn't put aside to repair/build roads (road repair comes out of the money allocated to councils, which is why the roads are always needing repair).

The Government of the day decides how they will dish out the money from that single pot, so they could easily decide to cut the money for the BBC in half and stil charge the same for a TV licence.

If the licence get abolished as it currently is, there will still be some form of payment expected, as the Government will not want to lose the funds raised. I'd guess they will re-define what the licence covers to take the modern style of tv watching into account.

We have prime and Netflix plus use a few catch ups. No licence here. I won't let anyone in my house if they knock either. It would depend on their attitude if I told them to piss off or not though.

I used to manage the TV Licensing complaints escalated to The BBC and there is so much bollocks on this thread I don't even know where to start!

I wonder what you think you achieved by telling him to piss off? They will still keep on at you no matter how much you shout and swear.
I've worked in telemarketing in the past and we just signed the rude one's up for even more frequent calls/visits.

mum2Bomg, pls do explain.
I cancelled my tv licence a few weeks ago, as I got rid of both tvs. I don't watch any tv (don't have Netflix, Amazon Prime etc) and don't watch catch-up. YouTube is much more interesting than any tv. I had a refund of about £36 for the remainder part of the licence. However, these stories of cautions and repeated visits are somewhat disconcerting...

Start at the beginning then. What bollocks is being spouted?

Oh and Brenda, thanks for verifying that. I shall continue to be rude because cold callers are usually scammers and if it keeps scammers harassing me rather than conning someone else,awesome. The legit companies that have this policy well more fool them playing the loosing game. No sale = no commission. And of course the bonus of being tps registered.

Iona we've stopped using a TV some years ago now.
The first year, we had a visit. I did show the guy our computer screen (which was linked to our laptop when we did want to watch some catch-up).

He never questioned anything. Just left and I have never seen them again after that.
We have had an email a couple of times asking to confirm we don't need a licence, which includes watching foreign TV live btw. That was it.

In about 10 years.

So repeated visits and whatnot have not been my experience at all.

Just to clarify, even though it has been mentioned many times on this thread already.

Is there a point in clarifying something that has been mentioned many times on the thread already?

You do not have to allow these people in your house. They don't have a warrant to enter your house, they are not police.

I would have probably been polite but if they pushed and tried to get me to sign a piece of paper or read me 'my rights' then piss off would be the next reply.

YABU poor guy was just doing his job. How very rude and nasty! I would not be bragging about this tbh . YAVFU

But the license[sic] itself is not to pay for the BBC. That is the point some are missing, wilfully it seems.

90% (at least) goes to the BBC and has done, by tradition (sometimes 100) since the inception in 1946.

The fact that a stupid process exists whereby there is a theory that the money could be used for something else isn't proof that it ever will be, not is it proof that a licence would be required if the BBC was funded by another means, it's a minor point of pedantry.

"Nothing is ring-fenced for anything. So the TV licence fee is not guaranteed to go straight to the BBC, in the same way that Road tax/Fuel Duty isn't put aside to repair/build roads (road repair comes out of the money allocated to councils, which is why the roads are always needing repair)."

This is just not true.

The BBC's charter says

"
(1) The Secretary of State must pay to the BBC out of money provided by Parliament sums equal to the whole of the net Licence Revenue or such lesser sums as the Secretary of State may, with the consent of the Treasury, determine. "

[in practice such 'lesser sums' are very hard fought by the BBC, and are strictly limited - the government can't just go say 'we need to buy this breast cancer drug', and cut £500 million from the BBC, everything is agreed and fully negotiated within very strict and limited parameters - the BBC get almost all of it]

' “net Licence Revenue” means the amounts paid by the BBC into the Consolidated Fund under section 365 of the Communications Act 2003, less the expenses incurred by or on behalf of the Secretary of State in relation to the administration of the television licensing system. '

So it IS ring-fenced, and the BBC collect the money, which means that if the BBC's scummy salespeople collect £5 billion, the BBC receive £4.7 billion, if they collect £5.2 billion, they receive £4.9 billion and so on.

That's just not true of car tax or other things.