To have told the to licence man to piss off?

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I have phoned them so many times and told them we don't need a licence. I have a no licence needed declaration.
So when this guy stood on my doorstep and tried to read me some
Sort of "rights" was IBU to tell him to piss off before shutting the door on him? (It felt amazing)

"They use heavy handed scare tactics and are extremely rude in all communications."

I can vouch for that.

I've received 87 letters, and at least 15 visits.

"because 99.9% of the people who ring the bell are people I want to either talk to, receive post or parcels from or let in"

We live totally different lives.

99% of people knocking at my door, either want to sell me something, or want something from me.

Like NoLicence 99% of people knocking at my door are friends not foes, so I always answer the door as well. One advantage of living a little out of the way is that we don't get chuggers knocking at our door.

I have the no unarranged visitor/no sales calls notice thing up on my door, which keeps chuggers away yet the TV license people assume it does not apply to them.

Off the back of this thread I have actually cancelled the TV license that I do not even need and instead declared I do not need one. Lets see how long before they turn up to harass me again...

"but the onus is on the householder to prove they don't have a TV"

No it's not.

From the TVL Visiting Procedures manual.

"Proof “beyond reasonable doubt”

1.1
Any person accused of a criminal offence has the right to have the evidence against them tested in a court of law. Generally they need not submit a defence. The prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt that an offence was committed and that the accused is, in law, guilty of that offence."

"Unfortunately a huge number of people who phone up and say they have no TV are lying!"

Not according to the TV Licensing website.

"If you tell us you don’t need a licence, we may confirm this with a visit to your address. This is because when we visit and make contact, we find almost one in six people that tell us they don't need a TV Licence actually do need one."

I'm quite shocked at the number of people on this thread, who have invited a total stranger into their homes.

They could've robbed/assaulted/raped/murdered you.

"How many of us without TV licences listen to BBC radio stations?"

I don't see that is relevant, because a licence isn't required to listen to the radio.

You might as well ask, How many of us without cars walk across roads?

"Sorry if this has been said but if your rights have been read he thinks he has found you out in something and that is a proper formal thing that's on your record as if you'd been arrested by the police."

You seem to be confusing the "You do not have to say anything" caution, with a "Police Caution" (aka a "Simple Caution).

The first one is simply reminding you of your rights, one arrest or prior to questioning.

The second is a formal record of an offence, applied when you admit to committing the offence, and constitutes a conviction.

I have never had them knocking on my door so I'm unsure what I'd say. I do have a licence and can prove I pay.
I'm assuming you were able to show the declaration saying you don't need a licence? If that is the case and he refused to accept it then piss off was acceptable 😋

"Step 1 - declare NLN - no licence needed"

There's no requirement to do this.

From Hansard:-

Adam Holloway Conservative, Gravesham

To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport whether those who do not have a television set are required to inform Television Licensing that they do not require a TV licence.

Shaun Woodward Shaun Woodward Minister of State (Department for Culture, Media and Sport) (Creative Industries & Tourism)

A television licence is required to install or use a television receiver, as defined in regulations made by the Secretary of State, rather than a television set. Members of the public who do not require a television licence are under no obligation to inform TV Licensing of the fact.

"You need to disable your tech so you cannot receive The BBC channels - it can be done. Then you don't need a licence. If you can get them, you need to pay. ''Tis the law..."

Completely wrong.

It is the act of (not the ability to) receiving live TV/watching BBC I-Player, that requires a licence.

'Women make up just 4.5% of the prison population in England and Wales
But they make up nearly 30% of TV licence fee evaders jailed, figures show.'

No YNBU OP

"Clearly, it is hard to prove that people don't watch TV, so what is the answer? Extra tax?"

How about subscription?

"and they can not read you any form of caution as they are not law enforcement."

Anyone can read anyone else their rights, anytime they feel like it.

All they are doing, is reminding you of your legal rights.

"I don't know why the BBC don't go subscription based like Sky"

Because hardly anyone would subscribe.

"Wonder how many will be happy still when the fee goes up this year. "

It can go up to £10,000 for all I care, as I don't have a TV Licence.

That's sad Nolicence - we get people collecting for very local charities once in a blue moon, and once there was someone trying to sell apples at a surprisingly extortionate rate, but on a day to day basis I answer the door lots of times per day (or more often the kids do) and unexpected callers are almost always neighbour children calling for my children, or neighbours... Or the postman. I'm very grateful not to live somewhere where I feel I have to run upstairs and shout through the window to avoid opening the door

Quite apart from the fact that my upstairs windows don't open.....

"Quite apart from the fact that my upstairs windows don't open....."

How you would you escape, if you were trapped upstairs by a fire?

Thank you, mom2Bomg , I will declare WOIRA. As for the detector vans, I live in a high-rise, so good luck to them...

We have a camera and dont ansa door to anyone we dont know . Told them to piss off Well done to you

My 80 year old inlaws have been threatened and harassed by TV licensing people for years. They found it very disturbing especially when they were threatened with jail. A family member wrote a very strongly worded letter in the end and they haven't been hassled since. It was absolutely disgusting the way they were treated and so, no, you were NBU at all.

Even more so because they are over 75 and exempt.

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