AIBU to want posters to stop saying that someone 'is' ASD?

[JigglyTuff]

It's not a taat because it's across multiple threads. Someone can have an ASD or have autism or even, if you must, be autistic. But no one is ASD.

It appears to be a thing about phrasing, because most of the aspies are saying that fundamentally it's the smallest of problems and all the neurotypicals are flipping out over grammar.

I posted early on this thread with my thoughts and have resisted saying what Mephisto has said because whilst I very much agree and it appears that many other posters have/do/is/are too, I have also suspected/assumed that some of the posters who are concerned about this may also be/have/is/are ASD/ASC/AS/Aspie/autistic too. However with the greatest of respect to those who are/is, etc; perhaps this thread should move to Pedants Corner.

Aren't you saying exactly the opposite to Mephisto, Plan?

I've checked with DS and he doesn't like it. He is on the spectrum; I'm not.

I like the idea it may be related to a figure of speech or a contraction of has, rather than is. Makes it a lot less grating

YANBU.

I don't know what the long site stuff thread was in aid of because MNHQ are not deleting "is ASD".

(Nor speculation about the possible DC of children of famous parents. They DID delete a thread about Paris Jackson's parentage this morning, so I'm totally )

I have also suspected/assumed that some of the posters who are concerned about this may also be/have/is/are ASD/ASC/AS/Aspie/autistic too.

Why are you assuming things instead of engaging with the point about "people first" language?

IMO it's not the autistic, asd, autist, aspie, Aspergers, HFA, autie descriptions that are the issue. There's plenty of terns acceptable to the is very wide and diverse community of people who are on the autism spectrum.

It's the referring to someone as the disorder rather than having the disorder.

My ds has a diagnosis of autistic spectrum condition (ASC). He is not a condition.
However he will describe himself as autistic.

I often think that's fine and along the same lines as I'm blonde haired, blue eyed, overweight, extroverted, autistic.

Dear Jiggly I understand (I think) I really do. My ds (now 15) doesn't want to be called anything but his name. I struggled with giving him a label other than Different (Autistic Spectrum Difference?), it's called the "A thing" in our world (before the TV show of a similar name) but I have accepted that things are Different for us. I don't like it and still believe that his Differences are only more apparent because the society we live in has expectations that dictates a normality that is too mediocre for him/us. Best wishes.

It's the referring to someone as the disorder rather than having the disorder.

Yea exactly. I'm bemused that some posters aren't grasping this.

I have NEVER ever heard " Jane is Dyslexia".

I'm autistic and I have OCD, it really boils my piss when people say 'oh I'm a bit OCD' because you can't be a 'bit' obsessive compulsive disorder as it's grammatically incorrect and also it's a debilitating condition not a bit of a laugh because you like to clean

So YANBU, yes it's up to people how they refer to themselves (I don't mind saying I'm an aspie, I'm autistic, I have OCD) but it's annoying when it's grammatically wrong!

As PP have said my DS says he is autistic (never mentions MLD) his autism has defined a large part of his personality therefore as he does it I, when asked, have also said he is autistic/is ASD not 'has ASD'.

spikey he has LD but describes himself as SN not disabled (despite taking part in disabled sports)

Autistic Spectrum Difference?)

I like that plan "Disorder" is so rude and inaccurate (but that's for another thread).

I don't think people who write it that way actually think that a person is a disorder

All the more reason not to write that they are

I have NEVER ever heard " Jane is Dyslexia".

Dyslexia doesn't impact on a person's day to day life in the same way as autism does.
My ds describes himself as autistic, however he would say that he also has dyslexia.

Jason please don't lecture on how autism has an effect on every day life. Pick your own comparison if you don't like that one. Calling people a disorder is rude. I'm sure you can grasp that if you try. I'm sure you would never call an adult a disorder to their face. Maybe think about why not?

Because if you are rude to someone no amount of "my child says" is going to dig you out is it?

And maybe some of these aspie teens happy to say "I am.....disorder" need some support of some kind?

I use Autism spectrum condition these days as many professionals are. I have never used 'IS' ASD/ASC.

Good luck with that on MN Fall. ASC gets nitpicked to death too. I agree it's much better.

Do people actually SAY "x is ASD" or do they merely TYPE it on mumsnet? Because if they're just typing it then to me it strikes as just laziness in the same way as typing OH for other half is. They're not actually saying that the person is the condition.

It appears to be a thing about phrasing, because most of the aspies are saying that fundamentally it's the smallest of problems and all the neurotypicals are flipping out over grammar.

Read the thread again, Mephistopheles because you are very, very wrong there. (And if you want a subset of people who are extremely particular about correct use of grammar, then where else are you likely to find those people other than in amongst the autistic community?)

Ahem...order....order. The worst thing any of us can do is fight amongst ourselves about the names, phraseology and grammar of the various situations and descriptives. Divide and Conquer. A positive is that we are debating this on a Main MN Board and not being shunted to the SN Boards(invaluable for advice).

Really Dixie? If any of my teens were saying "I am ASD" my antenna would prick up. Self esteem and even sense of self are potentially so fragile with autism, particularly in the teenage years. I don't think it's something the ASC "community" handle particularly well, either. We don't do well enough at getting positive role models visible and there's a lot of constant noise around undermining the validity of an autistic viewpoint.

Even on this thread it's happening again with the "I assumed the people who object were autistic themselves". Not with an implication of "....so have an informed view" but rather meaning "...so disregard that because they're pedantic little so and sos."

It's very hard to grow up in the internet age autistic and with positive self-image,I think.

As to the other point, the constant shouting down of mature, intelligent, qualified, experienced adult aspie women with "my son says" as if that's case closed is rather common.