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Low confidence, but DH has such high expectations

165 replies

DogTiredWife · 18/01/2017 22:38

I'm a regular on here, however NCed because this post is very personal. I've been married to DH for six and a half years, we have two DC. DH has a good job earns over £150k per year( in a good year teice that). He has always made it clear he wants our DC to go to private school and now our second child is coming up to that age. We live in London. I have been a SAHM for the last five years. I literally do everything at home and am totally financially dependent on him. Before the DC I worked and earned about £32k a year. However when we met I had some debts quite large ones after being made reundant several times, helping my brother during the recession, a bad friendship with an alcoholic friend who I was too weak to say no too and I had depression, and paid for a hiludau with DH. DH works long hours, mocks me, never does anything for the children, and gives me very little money (£1000 a month) I know to some people this is loads, but we live in huge house in London, he eats like a horse and has loads of allergies and expects me to pay for car maintaince, street parking outside the house £220 per annum, food (read fancy cheese, organic stuff), presents for his family usually £50 a pop, phone and broadband, kids presents, dinner parties, clothes, petrol, any handymen or plumbers and it's an old house so stuff goes wrong often. He pays the mortgage and utilities. But I'm not on the house deeds, it's for the most part paid off. He also has a flat he owns and rents out, I manage the tenants. He is never around in the evenings because he is at work I do everything with the kids, I rarely go out in the evenings, I never feel I can count on him on Saturday's he lies in till 11 then likes to go out yo fancy restaurants for lunch. He rarely plays with the kids but when he does he is good but it's easy to be good when you only do it two hours a week. I cook from scratch everyday, do all housework get up with the kids, always put them to bed etc. He is also a heavy drinker and drinks about half to a whole bottle of wine a night. Awhile back he told me he just has a low libido and maybe it will come back but basically he's not interested, I feel hurt but tbh I've gone off him because he humiliates me. I will never be as clever or earn as much as him, but now he says I must get a proper job by September so I can pay one set of school fees, I'm happy to work but I feel division of money is quite uneven if I have to pay school fees probably around £20000 a year when you factor in uniforms, transport and school lunches. AIBU to think this is all a bit unfair. He also has lots of savings, investments and a big pension pot. He cancelled the joint accpunt because he thought I was having a negative impact on his credit rating. When I say joint account he put money in and never used it but kept track on everything I spent and ig I had toask for extra money he makes me grovel, when we opened it he said, if you need more just ask but it hasn't been like that.

Sorry about the long ramble but do you think I'm being unreasonable to be a bit taken aback about paying one set of school fees? I know I'll still do everything else at home too, I don't know where to start with a job he always laughs at what I say, patronizes me and I hust feel soo useless.

OP posts:
CommunionHelp · 18/01/2017 23:42

God, OP. There's a happy life out there for you without him. He sounds like a total bully. So much of your OP is about money and yet I sense that it doesn't mean all that much to you.

Good luck. This is the first step, hopefully.

CrispPacket · 18/01/2017 23:44

:( I feel so sorry for you OP it must be a horrible situation to be in and one i can imagine thats easy to fall into especially if you have low confidence. I would leave him- easier said than done I'm sure but you can't go on like this. Massive hugs.

Bluesrunthegame · 18/01/2017 23:44

This:

Get all your ducks in a row. Get all the bank statements, pension details etc together. Make an appt with a good solicitor

And as you manage his rental apartments, do you have access to the accounts where he records the rent etc? Make sure you have all the details of these.

If you have nowhere to hide paper, a memory stick might help.

Start gathering information on your rights and his money! Certainly see the CAB as a starting point.

Good luck Flowers

PussInCoutts · 18/01/2017 23:44

No SAHM of DCs under school age is lazy! Unbelievable.

And FWIW he will not get better, you will not be solving this by talking like a PP suggested.

I have a toxic marriage and divorce behind me and good riddance, honestly!

dowhatnow · 18/01/2017 23:45

Don't sleep in the spare room, you don't want to alert him to the fact that you are leaving. Don't give him a chance to hide his assets etc.

ComputerUserNumptyTwit · 18/01/2017 23:46

Pam I me it doesn't start like this - everything is OK (or at least seems OK-enough) for a pretty long time. It takes a while to realise how bad things have got - and even then it's not until you're out of there that you realise just how shit it was. I remembered things a year or so after I left that I simply cannot believe I tolerated.

I'm back to the old me now, thank goodness, with the added bonus of being older and an awful lot wiser.

RedastheRose · 18/01/2017 23:47

It won't be pleasant getting divorced and he will undoubtedly fight you for every penny but you will be happier than stuck with an awful emotionally abusive husband. Read up about narcissistic tendencies and narcissistic personality disorder. He sounds like he might well be one. There is a support thread on here for people who have to deal with narcs post divorce/separation.

ComputerUserNumptyTwit · 18/01/2017 23:48

In my experience it doesn't start like this.

Moanranger · 18/01/2017 23:49

If you do LTB, get copies of all financial records, evidence of all property ownership, investments, bank accounts, etc. The number of men who bullshit there partners into believing they cannot have 50:50 is unbelievable. Find out what he owns & go for half with real determination. He has treated you like dirt, so you need some fairness at long last. Good luck!

MollyHuaCha · 18/01/2017 23:49

FlowersCake

Darlink · 18/01/2017 23:54

Blimey. What a peach.
Was he ever nice to you ?

maddon · 18/01/2017 23:56

PamBalam A lot of people ask that question: "Why does she put up with it? Why doesn't she leave?" and from the outside, if you've never experienced emotional abuse, that's a good question.

But, from the inside, it's clear why people (almost always women) get into this situation and mindset where they feel they can't leave. Emotional abuse usually starts gradually, the odd putdown (subtle enough to dismiss any reaction as being 'oversensitive'), the odd let down, the occasional lack of support. It gradually escalates, typically when the abuser starts to feel they have some kind of hold over their victim, such as financial or emotional dependence, ties such as children, or other reason why the victim might think twice before walking away.

By then, like OP, the victim's confidence is eroded, their self-esteem is non-existenat practically and although they know deep down it isn't right, they tend to either blame themselves or doubt themselves to the extent they don't feel confident about leaving or coping subsequently on their own.

Emotional abuse is common and follows a pattern. If you're interested in educating yourself about it, read Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry Men by Lundy Bancroft.

fusspot66 · 18/01/2017 23:57

Don't go back to work yet, your DC may struggle settling into school and as a family, you don't need the money, you need mother in the home. Use your time to plan a new life. He sounds awful. When you do divorce this arse hole it sounds like you'll need a shit hot lawyer SHL and a forensic accountant to pin him down on his finances. Don't think you can't afford a SHL. They don't demand full.payment up front and 'his' money is family money.

DoJo · 18/01/2017 23:58

He is fearsomely clever which is intimidating.

I read something earlier today which might reassure you a little on that score:

I often receive warnings from clients about how "clever" or "smart" their spouse is and to be careful as to not let them manipulate me.

I don't want to be insulting so I just say something like "I am a professional, etc."

In reality the other spouse has never been very clever at all. They just had power over my client that they've built through long term emotional and psychological abuse. The client is usually pretty delighted to finally see their abuser get ripped to shreds in court.

(context: family lawyer working with domestic violence survivors)

SleepFreeZone · 18/01/2017 23:59

Fuck that. Divorce.

WonkoTheSane42 · 19/01/2017 00:02

But I have no idea why some women tolerate that kind of shite from these no-marks. Where is their self respect? Why dont they leave at the first or second instance of twunty behaviour? I'm not just talking about the OP here. Why do women allow themselves to be so worn down by these arseholes, that they later become completely unable to leave.

Oh, I don't know, maybe because life, relationships and the psychology of abuse is more complicated than such a trite summarisation. Asking why women allow themselves to be abused, as if the guy said "I'm going to abuse you now" and they said "fantastic! I always knew I was worthless anyway" is victim blaming and lacking in empathy. Why don't you go and volunteer at Women's Aid or something so you can share your wisdom of how to avoid abusive relationships with all the infantilised women.

bumsexatthebingo · 19/01/2017 00:02

Who earns a wage like that and then leaves his family going short? Your husband is an absolute cunt op I'm sorry to say.
You say you don't work but you do all the childcare (even when he's not working by the sound of it) and manage his investment property.
Get out of there and see how he likes paying 2 lots of private school fees, a home help and his share before/after school care as well as getting someone to manage his flat so he can work. Plus paying for all the other extras he's put on you. It sounds as though the kids will see more of him when he has contact than they do with him living in the family home.

zukiecat · 19/01/2017 00:03

PamBalam

Have you ever been in an abusive relationship? I find your post insulting

My XH ground me down so much over the years, totally destroyed what little confidence I possessed, beat me, wore me down so that I believed I was this worthless pathetic, useless, fat, ugly arsehole that he always said I was

No school fees, but I had to pay the Council Tax and every child related expense, I had to go without food at times to make sure the DC ate, I had holes in my shoes and no proper winter coat because he wouldn't pay for those things

Now I got out and never looked back, but it's not an easy thing to do when you have zero money, no house, and no family or friends in that area

OP, I urge to you to gather whatever you can and get legal advice and just go. It will be tough to start with, but you'll come out the other side and be so much happier for it

FlowersFlowers

Kiwiinkits · 19/01/2017 00:14

OP do you know what YOU want? What do you want from him? From life?

It can help to articulate what you want your life to look like, before you start taking steps to get there. I know what I want: kids that love and respect me, a husband that loves and respects me, something to challenge me and something to look forward to, and the means to achieve physical comfort (healthy food, warm house).

I agree that you do come across as a bit of a victim in your posts. Start by taking ownership of what you've been doing or not doing to allow this situation to happen. He may be a dick, but you're letting him be a dick, so...

PussInCoutts · 19/01/2017 00:22

Pam I me it doesn't start like this - everything is OK (or at least seems OK-enough) for a pretty long time. It takes a while to realise how bad things have got - and even then it's not until you're out of there that you realise just how shit it was. I remembered things a year or so after I left that I simply cannot believe I tolerated.

Yep the old adage of the frog not noticing the temperature gradually rising in the pot until it's boiled to death

SanityAssassin · 19/01/2017 00:23

Zukiecat I totally get you were in an abusive relationship - you are strong and got out. But why let someone treat you like that in the first place - Genuinely curious not blaming or looking for fight just wondering really - feel free to ignore I'm not judging just wonder if it might be helpful to anyone.

Kiwiinkits · 19/01/2017 00:25

So perhaps a first step is some assertiveness training, OP?

Kiwiinkits · 19/01/2017 00:26

Or go watch some Tony Robbins on YouTube... find your Personal Power.

PussInCoutts · 19/01/2017 00:30

I would also strongly urge you to every day take a small step to break free - starting with booking solicitors' appointments and meeting at least 2 or 3 to discuss. You can get a free or fixed fee initial consultation.

Do not repeat my mistake of thinking 'he couldn't possibly take things too far' - I was warned to cover my grounds and get legal advice but I didn't do so until things had gotten pretty bad and you really don't want it to get to that point.

Start finding out about your options pronto. If it helps, treat it as a priority project where you are simply finding out your options. I didn't want to face how terrible things could get so I didn't get legal advice early on. I was worried it would make the separation&divorce&coparenting more acrimonious. Also, XH did not want me to see a solicitor, although he consulted several. I was still so under his thumb psychologically that I obeyed even after we'd separated and I'd made the cardinal error of moving out, which gave him the opportunity to start withholding access to DC and claiming that I had 'abandoned' the family!

On the plus side sounds like your H is too busy with work to even contemplate going down the 'abuse via access to kids' route but do cover all your bases just in case!

Atenco · 19/01/2017 00:30

But I have no idea why some women tolerate that kind of shite from these no-marks. Where is their self respect? Why dont they leave at the first or second instance of twunty behaviour? I'm not just talking about the OP here. Why do women allow themselves to be so worn down by these arseholes, that they later become completely unable to leave.

I used to think like this until I fell into an abusive relationship, in my case, it was domestic violence.