To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Saor, that question about multiples was not related to the ruling which I think is great. But to a poster who suggested that prams should be banned unless folded down. Not really possible with twins and I know two triplet families who would be unable to use buses at all in that case. And one quad family but that's what happens when you're in multiple groups.

Multiple parents can be very isolated and much more likely to suffer PND so bringing in rules about folding which stopped them using buses and further isolated them would be a great shame. And walking long distances with two small infants is rarely feasible as it's much more difficult with double the stops as with one baby.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of multiple parents are happy to get off and wait. But being effectively banned altogether because you can't fold is a different kettle of fish.

Trifle: I sincerely hope that you do not pass on your lack of values and decency towards others to your DC. And I sincerely hope that the huge big fucking karma boat doesn't come floating along and leave you or your loved ones needing to use that w/c space and some selfish arse with a precious poppet baby refuses to move their peak from the space on the bus. I really do.

Pram not peak évidemment

I shall generously hope that Trifle is just in the shellshocked phase of having a very new and squishy newborn, and terrified beyond logic that she might break it.

Still needs to move, though.

Clearly I am very unreasonable.

Apologies to anyone seriously offended by my bluntness. I am not trolling. The judgement does make allowance for the discretion of the driver and how reasonable he/she thinks it is for the person in the space to move, so there is that. I think that gives the right balance.

Those talking about lawbreaking and people refusing to move off the bus being arrested really need to stop the hyperbole. The judgement passes no law and, as above, there remains some flexibility.

I am of course lucky to be mobile and to have a healthy baby. I will count my blessings.

trifle come see my dd and her friends and you may realise that one day you have a healthy happy able child and in a split second crash your whole world and their whole future can change.

You really should be ashamed of your comments.

I fully understand how hard it is having more than one baby, and also understand the isolation you feel when they are tiny and getting out and about feels like a military operation.

I'm not belittling anything you say in your post, at all, but there is a very big difference between something being "not ideal" and a wheelchair user potentially being stranded as bus after bus goes by with entitled parents on board, potentially missing appointments, meeting up with friends/family, or unable to get home. In any situation, no matter how inconvenient, I would and will always argue that a wheelchair user takes priority for a wheelchair space.

trifle i really hope that when you come out of you PFB haze, that you look back on this thread and feel the embarrassment that you rightly should feel. A number of posters have given you a number of alternatives. Please can you tell me what alternatives you'd expect a person with disabilities to make to get onto the bus, when you are refusing to get out of their space? Because it is their space. I'm fairly certain the wording on your so called 'buggy space' is that you can use it if it is not required by a wheelchair user.

woowoowoo:

Jesus, Trifle has a history of being a knob but she's certainly made my blood pressure rise.

My last post was for BillSykesDog

Why can't you do what I used to do?

Take off the seat/carrycot/car seat, store it on the seat next to you and then collapse the frame

I'm assuming that's what you mean by a "pram and not a buggy"

Can you do this Trifle?

BillSykes And I did say that they could easily make exceptions in the case of multiples or disabilities. My dc was in a Maclaren Major disability pushchair before he moved to a wheelchair. Those kind of things are easily accommodated.

Like trifle I'd really struggle managing baby/buggy/shopping, even with help from other passengers. I am rubbish at coordination type stuff (being investigated for ASD, FWIW). I also have MH issues that make it harder to get out and about - very hard at points - and if I had to get off a bus and wait ages for the next one I would meekly get off but could well be struggling not to cry and have a mini breakdown when I got home just from the added difficulty. It would be nice if we could be a bit more understanding to all disabilities in general, although I know there is a legal issue in this context re. wheelchair users priority.

However... I don't think the buggy users should have to "suck it up". Why wheelchair users or parents with buggies? Why can't they both be given space and the rest of the passengers make room?

Soubriquet: Provided there is room, certainly.

And my dd and her friends were with teachers when this happened. Many teachers were injured and one killed.

Think about that your next school trip and your next bus ride with your healthy baby. Look in the eyes of the disabled person you are treating with such cavalier disregard and hope it's never you or your dd needing that space.

Trifle enough with the face, unless you are extremely foolish you know you're being unreasonable and just plain rude.

Please don't tar all first time parents with the same brush as trifle. I drive so rarely use public transport but if I did, I would either collapse my pram or get off. Not hard. I used to have to do it when my nephew was little, the wheelchair user gets priority. It is called a wheelchair space for a reason and actually most of the buses in my area say you're welcome to put a buggy in the space but you must move if a wheelchair gets on.

How BBC? By getting rid of seats to make more floor space? Good luck with that one.

There's usually always room. Occasionally you might need to stand and hold the seat but as long as the seat is secure it's a fair compromise

IcaMorgan Stillrabbit the driver should have given her a ticket to let her on the next bus free

That's the system they need to set up. Around here you don't get "tickets", the only way to travel on a bus is by using a prepaid Oyster card or a contactless bank card; buses don't take cash.

I totally agree that wheelchairs should get priority BUT people who have to get off SHOULD be refunded.

Unfortunately the spaces on our buses show pictures of wheelchairs AND pushchairs so it is down to your own conscience to decide who should take priority.

Think there is a need for pram spaces on buses too. When my son was smaller there is no way I would have been able to fold up the pram single handed while holding a baby. A newborn does not get in an easily foldable pushchair. And no, I wouldn't just hand him to some stranger to hold. Not sure why people on here are so "anti pram" ! I suspect these are folk who don't rely on public transport.

Well Trifle you have given me a laugh. It's been like listening to my five year old telling why she shouldn't have to go to bed.

Except she can present well thought out rational arguements, whereas you have simply stated how precious you and your gasp newborn is.

Hilarious. I'm waiting for you to start harping on about disabled people receiving benefits and blue badges next and then you would have given me enough to shout "wanker bingo"!

That's the system they need to set up. Around here you don't get "tickets", the only way to travel on a bus is by using a prepaid Oyster card or a contactless bank card; buses don't take cash

It's already well set up!
If you have to get off the bus early, the driver gives you a paper ticket. You give that to the next bus driver and they let you on.
It happens all the time when a bus has to terminate early.
Slightly surprised you've never seen it