To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Bizarre that you think the baby is somehow magically safe in a pram. If the bus does a sudden stop, anyone could fall on it or drop anything on it. If the bus has an accident, the baby isn't strapped in. etc etc etc.

Trifleorbust I strongly advise you to educate yourself on disabilities and the difficulties people with disabilities face.

^ this.

Triffle your attitude on here is exactly why this was taken to court.

Think some posters have hit the nail on the head here - having children IS a choice - a disability is not. For you with your buggy and your kids, it is a mere inconvenience to have to fold it etc. For the wheelchair user, not being able to travel on a bus because there is not space for their wheelchair amounts to discrimination because of their disability.

Fed up of those of us with children thinking the world should have to stop just because we have decided to breed!

Yep

You can't argue with the ignorant who are confident they are making the right choice and everyone else is wrong

billsykesdog

No, the judgment does not go that far. The Supreme Court has said that a driver must do more than merely request the parent to move the pram. The driver should request and pressurise as far as is reasonable in the circumstances.

However drivers cannot compel the parent to move if even after they have been requested to move and appropriate pressure applied, they still refuse to move hi trifle

If you fold your buggy you are entitled to one of the priority seats as a mother with a child - so get someone to move.

Sorry Trifle but having a baby is a choice and comes with challenges like this. The wheelchair user did NOT make a choice and will be using their wheelchair long after any precious child of yours is running around independently. Therefore THEIR needs come before yours...and don't be ridiculous, of course you can hold a baby on a bus. They won't come to any harm in your arms.

I am pleased about this ruling, its not before time.

What if the baby in the pushchair/Pram is disabled themselves? Think oxygen tank etc where it could potentially be unsafe to remove them and juggle equipment.

This seems a no win situation one party is going to loose out, not knowing everyone's personal circumstances. I don't think either should take priority.

I'd say that most people are considerate of others and would leave the bus but collapsing the Pram is not always practical, for lots of reasons.

Put the newborn in a sling and leave the pushchair at home...Hardly rocket science.

My mum gave up on buses when bus after bus would pass by because it was full..Of all these amazing non folding pushchairs. Similar to the time we stood and waited for a lift for half an hour...Mind boggling how little imagination some have.

The bus wouldn't be moving if someone was getting on it. . I'm sure you could ask the bus driver to wait until you'd folded up your precious bloody pram.

I think the mistake the bus companies made was in allowing prams rather than small folding buggies aboard in the first place.

Round here, they only started to do it after the campaign for wheelchair spaces; before then, there was nowhere to put a mega-pram, so no one tried.

Trifle, your baby will honestly be fine held close to you by a sling (I'd want to be sitting down, admittedly). Buses don't stop as abruptly as cars.

Prams don't even have straps. If safety is your worry you need a car seat and a seatbelt.

In that case Nipper their pushchair is the equivalent of a wheelchair... Obviously.

What if the baby in the pushchair/Pram is disabled themselves? Think oxygen tank etc where it could potentially be unsafe to remove them and juggle equipment

Then that is obviously an exception and would be counted as a disability

Ginger

I sincerely hope that one day those of you defending Trifle's stance are unceremoniously dumped off a bus by a driver unwilling to put up with such entitled, discriminatory bullshit.

You can all make your choices and I will make mine

Even if it's against the law?!

Again Trifle

Why can't you do what I used to do?

Take off the seat/carrycot/car seat, store it on the seat next to you and then collapse the frame

I'm assuming that's what you mean by a "pram and not a buggy"

Genuinely curious...to the people who wouldn't move for a wheelchair user, what would you do if the driver refused to let you on the bus without collapsing the pram/buggy as the space was in use by a wheelchair or another pram?

Agree. Having children is a choice. Being in a wheelchair is not. First come first served is bollocks. The spaces are for wheelchair users. If it is not needed then if course a buggy can go there. But as soon as a wheelchair user needs that space they should be able to have it. Unless of course there is already a wheelchair user in the space. What would you do if there were already other buggies? Walk? Wait for the next bus?

It is sad that people still feel entitled to use a space designed for wheelchair users whenever they want.

Oh trifle
Clearly risk analysis isn't your strong point if you are going to start harping on about your rights to keep your baby safe by not having to indulge in the reckless behaviour that is 'having a child on your lap'

Your inability to calculate risk doesn't trump the legal right of a wheelchair user to have that space

OK, Not worth arguing. Please just think about how you, personally, in a wheelchair, would get to:
work
hospital
the next train
the shop

if every bus, on average, has someone's precious baby on board, occupying the only space out of 70 or so that you could possibly sit in.