To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

But trifle don't you see?

By refusing to move you ARE being disablist

You are affecting a disabled person in a negative way where things have been adapted by allowing a disabled person access

Sirzy: If I was only slightly inconvenienced I would get off the bus and vacate the space. I am not a horrible person and I don't mind making my journey a little longer or getting rained on - not a big deal. If my baby is screaming with hunger or I am going to miss an appointment with the GP, that's a different kettle of fish.

i have nothing against disabled people

As a teacher your language and attitude are dreadful.

Try a person with a disability and develop some empathy and responsibility two.

There's something very empowering about being able to manage your daily life without getting into undignified fights with wheelchair users. It just takes a bit of planning. If you're going to use the bus regularly with a baby, you need to think ahead and have the right equipment - a sling or an easily foldable buggy. It's just no good getting on the bus with an enormo-pram and insisting on your right to not move for anyone.

No one with a shred of decency would stand their buggy-ground while a wheelchair user is unable to board the bus. I am cringing with embarrassment for the 'first come first served' brigade. For all the reasons that have been so well spelled out by previous posters.

PS in London, the mayor has recently introduced a new fare system where you can switch buses within an hour without having to pay any extra on your Oyster card or contactless.

I am not a horrible person

Um...

Soubriquet: I don't think that is what disablism is. I am not prejudiced. I am just looking after my baby and getting the service I paid for.

MommaGee I read your post about your son being disabled. In which case, that is not the same as an asshat deciding they take precedence. If you need the wheelchair space because your child's disability prevents them being able to sit in another seat, that isn't entitled behaviour, it's valid use of the space.

Sobriquet actually Iaasume im entitled to it cos I have a disabled son, not entirely sire how the law would fall in that one. However I wouldn't expect another mom to get off for me unless it was urgent is low on o2

Then that's your prerogative. As a disabled mother, that space is rightfully yours. If you choose to wait, that's your choice.

saor as I have a disables child whose able to use a pushchair I would argue the case if we were an route to hospital given that people are very unwilling to randomly hold a piped tubie baby let alone the driver give me time to unload his o2 and feeding equiptment. If we were popping out for coffee or heading home its different

I'm wondering now if the situation has happened in reverse... Most buses round here have a wheelchair space and a double buggy space. I often travel at times when all are empty, and reckon you could get 3 wheelchairs on - would the driver let them though? And how would someone with a buggy react if they couldn't get on because there were 2+ wheelchair users on? (Because wheelchair users cannot possibly travel with other wheelchair users! ) I'm starting to mentally design buses with only fold-down seats now... hmm.

I gather trifle is BU but at this thread. All piling in to be more outraged and critical... It's another thread, really, but Brennan's example makes me think:
Going out with newborn and 14 month old who cannot walk. Can't drive as 4 weeks post CS. So, newborn in sling, sit 14 month old on hip, collapse maclaren and board.
I wonder how most men would react/cope, 4 weeks after faily major surgery, with a newborn in sling and a 14 month old balanced on hip whilst folding a buggy? Would we perhaps have a little sympathy for them?

you can feed a baby wherever it needs to be fed at 5 weeks breast or bottle.

Allow plenty of time for important appointments.

Excuses excuses.

I don't think that is what disablism is. I am not prejudiced. I am just looking after my baby and getting the service I paid for

While actively and continually dismissing the needs of disabled people because you refuse to see anyone's viewpoint but your own. With respect not much right enough that is the very definition of disablism.

If my baby is screaming with hunger or I am going to miss an appointment with the GP, that's a different kettle of fish.

Yep. That would be a kettle of SEL-FISH.

So hold your crying baby, collapse your pram and let the wheelchair user use the space that is intended for them. The only space they can possibly use on the whole bus.

Ah cross posted Saor

FizzBombBathTime: Do you know what, I'm really not. I would always move if it was practical. I would get off if it didn't mean the baby suffering. I don't mean to put anyone out. But the shitty design of buses isn't my fault. I don't accept that I need to put my newborn on my knee, buy special equipment I can't afford or beg strangers to hold my baby because bus companies haven't thought to have BOTH a dedicated w/c user space and a pram space. We have to share the space, so as long as I have a tiny baby I expect to be able to share it.

bbc I am 3 weeks post cs and have a 1 year old. I take 3 week old in a sling and if going on bus use an easily collapsible buggy.

MommaGee your son is entitled to use that space, as there is no other way he could travel on the bus. I'm sorry, I got you mixed up with the PFB lot. My mistake, I'm sorry.

Sirzy: Holding a newborn and collapsing a pram, as I have already said, isn't safe. I can honestly say I couldn't do it safely, so I am not going to.

Then ask for help. You not wanting to ask for help isn't an excuse to deny someone else the right to travel. Or practise at home if you can't manage!

Surely you can see how that is selfish?

Trifle the space isn't for you. You can take advantage of it UNLESS someone in a wheelchair needs it because it is THERE FOR THEM NOT YOU. do you get it yet or what?!

Yep. That would be a kettle of SEL-FISH.

Why? If I am 5 miles from home and I have to walk down a main road, my crying baby has to wait an hour to feed. It's not selfish to want to avoid this. Is it?

We have to share the space, so as long as I have a tiny baby I expect to be able to share it

I can't wait to hear what your excuse will be when your tiny newborn wibble isn't a tiny newborn anymore (in about 4 weeks).

BBC no it's nonsense. I had a newborn and a toddler twice over with shopping and wouldn't dream of inconveniencing a person with a disability.

its nonsense and on a par with pandering to sexist and racist behaviour.

And what on earth do you mean by coukd most men manage? What's that got to do with it?

I am still not going to ask a stranger to hold my baby while I fold a pram. Not a chance

Your choice, you'll have to get off the bus then, five weeks after giving birth.

Such cuntish attitudes have forced this Supreme Court ruling,I can't believe people can have such selfish attitudes, it's like like they pushed their empathy out with their placenta.