I would love someone to define to me what 'we look after our own first' means??

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Whenever I have political or brexit driven discussions this is a constant arguement thrown back at me - and genuinely I'd love to know what it means? Does it mean those who pay taxes here (includes people here and abroad, but not those on benefits maybe?), does it mean if you live here (all expats are out then), does it mean if you're British? (What does that mean? I'm half English, half German?), does it mean if you have a passport (well my 2yr old ds is out?)
What does it actually mean, who are 'our own'?

Nations have no inherent right to exist as they do, and change over time. They are just lines on a map.
However, in order to persuade those with money to pay into a pot for those less fortunate, rather than just save for themselves, there needs to be some form of 'group' to which they belong and which provides reciprocal help to them if necessary.
Historically, this help was combined security and was provided by the 'nation', which had a leader who was the strongest bastard chosen by God.
It is perfectly possible to argue for the national lines to be redrawn, and this is the wish of ardent EUphiles. Some on this thread appear to argue that the lines should be drawn wider. Unfortunately this is not possible without significantly reducing the living standards of 99.9% of the UK population. As people are fundamentally selfish, this argument will not be won.

I say it to mean I look after my own first. Meaning my family. My son. There more important to me than tom, dick or Harry.

But it can have racist connotations, however I see it as no different than the black lives matter movement having the hump with all lives matter.

To me it depends largely on the context.

"You won't get a satisfactory answer to this OP. But it infuriates me too. Why on earth should someone be afforded special rights on account of being born in the UK? It's incredibly entitled."

i'll admit i was a little bit miffed (for a few seconds) when my child didn't get a place in the ofsted outstanding primary across from my house and i had to drive instead to another further away school - after there was a big influx of immigrants to my area. My child would have got a place a few years earlier. So it seemed recent immigrants got preference over nationals to a degree.

I was fine with it and didn't have any ill feeling to the immigrants - but i admit the thought of being born here and my kids being born here and then pushed down the ladder did cross my mind briefly.

Spoke to an immigrant lady who was doing my nails a few days ago and we were discussing schools (her kids were at the school in question) and she was surprised my kid never got a place.

I took it to mean anyone who lives in England?

I'm of Welsh origin living in Scotland, so that's me out of the running then?

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-need-to-look-after-our-own-first-say-people-who-would-never-help-anyone-20150907101741

It's a very useful "racist bastard" identifier.And you haven't answered my earlier questions either. Is sacrificing babies to false gods ok with you? Because it wasn't to God.

And if God decides to judge with premature death in the flood, then do tell me who exactly will look after the babies?

Oops, wrong thread!

Bambambini- those immigrants must have lived closer to the school than you did. Or be members of a faith that gets preferential admissions.

Immigrants do not get priority in school admissions.

Also please do not forget that it was our great/grandparents that fought for an NHS/Welfare state etc. It didn't just pop up out of bloody nowhere.
Some people on here need to read a few history books - it wasn't that long ago that people in the UK were either starving (great famine of Ireland , great depression of 1930's , being bombed during the second world war. I'm all for Charity here and abroad , but don't tell me that we don't deserve it just because we were born here , our grandparents fucking fought for it.
or , being bombed during the second world war. people of the UK wer

LaurieMallow - yes I'm so grateful that I was born in the UK . But I wish that I had been born into a rich family but I wasn't , but that doesn't give me the right to take money from a rich family does it ? I also wish that a member of my family didn't have a severe disability , I wish that people didn't die of cancer and a million other illnesses.
It's the luck of the draw honey.

olivia no-one fought for a welfare state - against Nazi oppression yes, but not for a welfare state. The Nazi's had a better welfare state in the late 30's than the UK.
Also your grandparent's behaviour does not make you deserve anything, unless you believe that grandchildren of murderers should be in prison.

Ah well....

Olivia777 Whilst our grandparents and great grandparents did fight in wars it was not a war for any of the benefits you seem to think others want to take off you.

It should also be noted that vast areas of the globe were oppressed by the UK. We built slave ports. We built plantations. We slaughtered every population that opposed us. We set up governments that delivered for the UK, not for the people of their country. We got involved in redrawing maps that had nothing to do with local populations. The mess of the middle east is pretty much the result of the UK, France and others like Italy taking over the Ottoman Empire. We starved people. The wealth of the Empire. The wealth of this country was built on oppressing other people. You be grateful of the blood split to give you what you have, honey, because who cares about other people and the consequences of what we did? There just foreigners anyway.

IME, its people venting about social injustice. Especially when they cannot get help/care/treatment/provision that they should be entitled to, while they see "immigrants/single parents/addicts/ex criminals" enjoying a variety of perks. Basically it "why them, not me?" type of thinking.

Bertrand - many didn't live closer and yes it's a religious faith school - which we qualify for (at least on paper). Kids used to bus into this school from other side of town because it was one of the few faith schools in town. The area had a big influx of immigrants which in recent years changed the whole demographic of the school (and another close by) Siblings might have been a factor too. My oldest did get a place years ago in reception when it wasn't an issue but we moved away for a few years and didn't take the place.

I've never used the term look after our own first - i don't like it and what it means to some people. Some people and areas though are feeling the influx of immigration more than others and how it affects their area and resources. It doesn't affect me and my family (i didn't work and had a car so impact was less) as we moved further out to be close to schools.

Agree with nataleejah

So how do you think they got in, bambambini?

nataleejah's list is interesting. I wonder how many people would consider single parents not to be "our own"?

(Not suggesting you do, nataleejah.)

Bert

what i'm saying is some areas you can see the effects of immigration more than others. This was already an over subscribed school. When the application numbers rise steeply over a short period and folk who have always known the school, have a history of it in their families start getting refused and the school is now mostly made up of recent immigrants - people are going to notice.

It inconvienced me not getting the place but we had the means to deal with it.

I have no beef at all with those that did get the place but possibly for the first time immigration actually had a little bit of an impact on me. I think it's fair to remember that some folk have had their communities, schools etc more affected by immigration than others in recent years. I think to just shout "you shouldn't be so entitled" at every discussion ignores some folks real realities and shuts down proper discussion on it.

I also lived in another country for a few years where being a non national and a recent arrival did mean that regarding schools you were issued places only after the countries citizens were dealt with first, I had no problem with this and didn't think it unfair. And i'm not advocsting this for the UK but interesting to see other countries take on puting their own first.

some people seem to be under the impression that on passing through customs you are handed bags of loot and the keys to the kingdom as it were

It would be quite easy to check how school places are allocated on your county council website, perhaps posters do not have access to the internet though?

Easier to believe that they are allocated on an immigrants first basis, I guess

I didn't say it was an immigrants first basis (if that's directed at me) but a sudden big influx of applications from immgrants to a school means that some of those who would easily have gotten a place a few years earlier - now have a lot of competition and some will lose out where they wouldn't have a few years earlier. This affects people - if you think it just goes totally unnoticed - you are blind.

So, if the school is now mostly made up of immigrants, the catchment area is now mostly immigrants, assuming places are allocated on the basis of nearness to the school

Tell me, how did these immigrants manage to evict people from their houses so as to take their place? It sounds terrible.

Bambambini I am absolutely horrified at what happened to you. I would be up in arms if I was you. And to all the lefties on here, no, I am not being sarcastic.

Tell me, how did these immigrants manage to evict people from their houses so as to take their place? It sounds terrible

Probably by driving down wages in the area.

So, driving down wages, but still able to afford the housing themselves- and of course we are talking families with children because they are stealing the school places of good British folk, not a house with 75 adults crammed into it taking turns sleeping

Oh sure, sounds legit

Oh wait I know- they pay for it with the bag of loot you get when you go through Customs as a foreigner