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...to be concerned about this man? Unsure what to do

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user1483717131 · 06/01/2017 15:54

I've just returned from a visit to see my step-daughter (age 36) and her little girl (age 5) in Newcastle. While up there, she mentioned she's recently started seeing a man she met online (she broke up with her daughter's dad 4 years ago, and has been single since). She hasn't told me much about him, but there are few things that have worried me:

He has asked repeatedly about her daughter, despite having never met her- "is she an affectionate girl?" He has also given her a toy to give to her

He doesn't talk about his past at all - she knows almost nothing about him, only his first name

He recently suggested that all three of them could go abroad together: when she brought up separate rooms, he said she could have her own bed and he would share a bed with her daughter to save money

This is a bit worrying, isn't it?!

I'm really unsure what to do: obviously I could tell her what I think, but I really think that wouldn't go well. For one thing, if I've ever given any opinion on her choices (just small stuff), she's got really angry, and cut me off for a period. Also, she has some of the same doubts about this man herself, but she's said she might still see him anyway (I think she's very lonely and hard up, and she says he pays for everything).

All I can think of apart from that is telling social services or the police. The problem is that I only know this man's first name and home town, so they'd have to go through her for more. She's quite suspicious of anyone asking about her personal life and I know from experience she will lie to stop other people being involved. Also, if she found out I'd reported it, she'd cut me out too, so no-one would be keeping an eye on the situation (she's not in contact with any other members of her family)

Are there any other options? Is there any way I can find out this man's details without asking her?

Please help!

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LTBforGin · 06/01/2017 16:49

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MorrisZapp · 06/01/2017 16:54

He pays 'for everything'? What' everything ' is there to be paid for by a man who won't tell her his surname?

Nothing about this sounds remotely convincing.

DotForShort · 06/01/2017 17:00

What the hell? Shock

smellyboot · 06/01/2017 17:06

It does sound too blatant to even be grooming, but I'm no expert. Pays for everything but she doesnt actually know his name or anything, yet shes been out with him... very odd the more you look at it...

Janey50 · 06/01/2017 17:09

I think the fact that he has said he will share a bed with her daughter,who he has not even met yet, (and even if he had,it would still not be acceptable) would immediately set alarm bells ringing! I mean,really?!! What sort of man actually suggests this?

CharlieDimmocksbosoms · 06/01/2017 17:16

The toy he's given the mother to give to the child. How well has she checked it before giving it to her? (Maybe I'm paranoid but...)
Also putting aside the unsuitability of him sharing the child's bed how does he think it would save money exactly?
I get the feeling she's either a very naive woman or wants you to think she is. Who looked after the child when she went out with the man???

NavyandWhite · 06/01/2017 17:19

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Mynestisfullofempty · 06/01/2017 17:20

The trouble is he could just make up a last name, so Sarah's Law won't help if his real name isn't known.

frigginell · 06/01/2017 17:25

I don't think this is unbelievable. Quite a large handful of my friends who've been sexually abused as children have only been so because their parents ignored clear warning signs.

It's a comfortable position to be in if you can trust that everyone is as kind as you are - but it isn't an accurate opinion. The step-daughter may think that it's an acceptable trade off. She wouldn't be the first.

I'd stay as close as possible, say nothing, find out his details and pass them on. The advice above about offering to take care of your granddaughter while she goes away is golden.

Batteriesallgone · 06/01/2017 17:53

As per a pp, contact CEOP and see what they suggest

OhSuckItUpDucky · 06/01/2017 17:59

This is seriously disturbing
I'd visit more often , just to keep an eye on things and see if she offers more information

OhSuckItUpDucky · 06/01/2017 18:00

Sorry meant to add ring childline

HecateAntaia · 06/01/2017 18:08

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Bluntness100 · 06/01/2017 18:14

This is shocking, any woman who says she would continue to see a man who she hardly knows and who has already stated would rather share a bed with her five year old daughter than her needs help and possibly the child removed for her own safety. No one, and I repeat no one is that stupid.

Where are her instincts to protect her child? Her reaction is abnormal in the extreme. I'm sorry but every single adult , parent or not, knows this is wrong and sick.

BMW6 · 06/01/2017 18:22

FFS if I were you I'd ring SS and report the SD for putting her own daughter at risk.

I am totally Angry that your SD did not at the very least tell him to FUCK OFF NOW. I care not a jot how lonely she is without him in her life frankly, save the child please OP.

YorkiesGlasses · 06/01/2017 18:38

Your step-daughter must be quite vulnerable to even entertain continuing to associate with this man. I really think you should report the conversation to social services, with any other information you have. I understand you don't want her to isolate herself from you, but who is going to be more able to help your DGD?

debbs77 · 06/01/2017 18:40

This is awful. Please speak to her. Maybe show her this thread so she can see others opinions too

EZA15 · 06/01/2017 19:08

I agree with the pp who advised about CEOP

hotdiggedy · 06/01/2017 19:49

My goodness. You need to speak to her and find out more and get some advice from nspcc or ceop or whoever.

Very scary.

MunchMunch · 06/01/2017 20:48

I second getting in touch with Dark Justice on Facebook. They are based in the north east and help the police. They aren't vigilantes with pitch forks but seem to do a lot of good in getting peadophiles pickednup.

user1483717131 · 08/01/2017 14:10

Thanks to everyone posting, it's really good to know it's not just me being overly worried! Sorry for not replying more quickly.

A lot of people have said she can't be this naive... but unfortunately I think she could be. She has a history of making bad decisions, abusive partners, etc

She is very lonely, but I think this is because she very easily falls out with people. In fact I'm pretty confident that if I told her my worries plainly it wouldn't affect her choosing to see this man... it would just stop her telling me about it if she did. When she told me I remarked that it sounded worrying- she agreed, but then 5 minutes later said she might see him anyway

I'm very unsure what to do- it's difficult to keep an eye on them as she is quite secretive at the best of times (and we don't live near). I agree with those who said social services might not act at such an early stage, and she'd be furious if she found out. I think a PI is a really good idea, I'm going to look into it.

I've read about Sarah's law and it seems really helpful for this situation- but would the police tell me the results? It seems to say they only tell the parent, but like I said, that might not affect her choice to see him. Also, would they tell her that I started the investigation?

It's so nice to hear these suggestions, some people clearly have more experience with this than me?

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Ilovecaindingle · 08/01/2017 14:14

What about speaking to the child's school?

Yoarchie · 08/01/2017 14:15

You could report your step daughter to social services with all the info in your OP. They'd be obliged to talk to her. Obviously this is the nuclear option. You'd have to be prepared for her never to speak to you ever again but it might be a better option than a stranger in bed with this 5yo girl.

jules179 · 08/01/2017 14:22

Do you have this mans picture? One option would be to let the local police know the information you have and his picture. If he is known to them for similar I am sure they would follow it up.

Your SD does seem extremely naive though, and even if you deal with this situation there may be others where she is equally vulnerable

SadTrombone · 08/01/2017 14:24

OP - since you're considering a PI you may want to think about looking up Dark Justice - they're a Newcastle based operation who, from what I can gather, target potential pedophiles online in a sort of 'honeytrap' fashion and get them to come to a location on the assumption a (fictional) young person will be there to meet them. They're then promptly arrested.

They may be able to give you some advice?

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