To think well done to the actors standing up to try to prevent trump from entering the white house

[jdoe8]

Well done to them, they are risking their popularity in order to try to help keep someone unfit from office and a change to the political landscape that would be detrimental to the country.

Where is the same for UK actors standing up against brexit?

Mr.Trump will be president. It must gall all those special little snowflake celebrities to realise everyday Americans don't give a shit about their "enlightened" opinions.

Martin Sheen needs better fitting teeth.

I'm not sure Sheldon, isn't Geldof getting a bit old? I thought old people have no stake in the future and don't really care about what happens and just vote according to what they want to happen (oh sorry, that doesn't make any sense does it, because they don't care what happens. I'm really confused now - how do they decide, if they don't care? And why did such a high % vote in the referendum if they are not bothered? Confusing)

I can't get the image of his orange hair flapping in the wind as he slides past

Like a big Labrador in the back of a pick up truck.

Not at all like a Labrador! Labradors are cute.

When I said upthread

Are we expected to believe that if Hillary Clinton had won the popular vote the actors would be saying That's all right then and not protest?

I obviously meant "If Trump had won the popular vote. I really must put the brain into gear before engaging the keyboard.

But I stand by my point. The luvvies would still be objecting, wouldn't they?

WrongTrouser Do you generally spout such ageist nonsense?

Older voters vote for the candidate or party they think best; just like younger voters except that in the UK it appears that older voters are more likely to get off their arses and do it. Not that it takes much effort in the days of postal-vote-by-right.

We most of us also want he world to be better for our descendants after we are gone. Obviously you and I might disagree about what is better and which party will achieve it, but, hey, that's democracy, isn't it?

I really need to know what tobogganist was supposed to be

I assumed it was supposed to be misogynist - not that the OP has bothered to let us know.

Andrewofgg

I think Wrongtrouser was being ironic and (hopefully if I'm right) continuing the pisstake of Geldof and Allen et al.

Let's start another petition!

(Don't worry, we can just do another if this one doesn't work out either)

Wasonthelsit Reading it again you are right - my apologies to WrongTrouser.

Andrew Sorry if it wasn't clear. I was being sarcastic/ironic. As you see from my previous post, I want to know what people who are not happy with democracy want to replace it with. My list of suggested alternatives - restricted franchise, military dictatorship are also sarcastic. Like you I believe in democracy even if it doesn't lead to the result I want.

I was trying to make the point that many people seem to think that other people's vote should have less weight than there own, whether that because they are older, haven't got a degree, are stupid (these are all things I have said about leave voters as reasons why the referendum vote should not be upheld). The age argument is to me one of the most ridiculous, and apologies if I didn't spell out that I am mocking the ridiculous things which have been said about older voters. I myself am an older voter, and I have as much stake in the future as any one else.

Andrew

was

I thought it might be that

Poor tobogganists...they always get such a bad rap

I think it might be the skin tight costumes

SirChenjin - That wasn't my question. Do you think they would take it quietly or not? Clue: the answer is "not".

As opposed to the peaceful and tolerant Hilary supporters who have been rioting, threatening Trump voters, destroying property and generally tantruming because they didn't get their own way?

This is ridiculous. It's exactly the problem and what caused trump to win in the first place.

Rich people bleating about how what they say and want is right.

As for 'hillary actually got more votes' is the same as 'actually Brexit was only voted for by 28%' which is needs to filed under 'completely irrelevant'. The way the voting systems works here and in the US is what matters. According to those systems trump won and Brexit is going ahead. Everyone knew the way it worked beforehand.

No matter how much I don't like the results. They are the results.

being part of a democracy doesn't mean you give up your right to protest, argue or shout if you think something is wrong

Still no suggestions for alternatives to democracy?

If people don't want it, they really need to know what we're going to have in it's place.

Jdoe8 - No, only 37% of the electorate voted for it (about 27% of the population).

Exactly! and beyond did not shake her ass with Hillary, she gave a moving speech about empowerment and endorsed Hillary.

And only 27% of the electorate that were eligible to vote, voted for Hillary! So you think Brexit shouldn't go ahead because only 37% of the electorate (that bothered to vote) voted for Brexit but in your view Hillary should win even though only 27% of the electorate (that bothered to vote) voted for her? So basically the winning vote is only alright when it is the same as your vote?

Wasn't half the problem with Hillary's campaign the self congratulatory celeb fest. I hate Trump, don't get me wrong, but trying to chuck some self-aggrandising slebs at the issue was never going to make it stop.

I think there are some similarities between Trump / Brexit.

Your average person felt left behind / outside of the Washington / London bubble and voted accordingly.

Will await incoming but on either side of the Pond, people voted or not voted, that to me is democracy.

If the result was the "wrong one" come the next presidential / GE, people should get out knocking on doors etc to persuade people to vote for the "correct" result.

People wanted change instead of the same old same old.

We will get change and the last time I looked, POTUS / MP's work for the people.

If people object to that, vote for and implement a system where people have no choice.

Yes, the playing with the referendum voting figures so that 52% becomes 37% or even 27% (which is less than the 48% who voted remain, so leave lost) is a hoot. On another thread people are discussing "post-truth". If there is such a thing (I think it's cobblers) this is a prime example.

There are lies, dammed lies and statistics.

You can have the same data and use it for / against any argument 😀

The American election was a campaign that went on for years. All the groundwork and selection of candidates and campaigning in states hundreds of miles apart took a huge amount of work. The Trump victory was not an accident, a slip of the pen, a "we didn't realise who he was" moment.

You can't just reverse it. And what , go back to Square One - do the whole thing again? With how many new candidates?? Start the whole selection process again, from the beginning? Can you not see how ridiculous that would be?

And why would it have anything to do with Brexit any more than it would affect the French election result, the Japanese result, the Scottish Independence Referendum or any other result for that matter.