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"Taboo" sex stories

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HoopsandEverything · 09/12/2016 09:43

So, I think I may be told AIBU and am a prude, but would like to know what the general consensus is.

So, if a sex story, which is completely fictional involves a 14/15 year old girl - is that wrong or right?

Just words, no pictures. No lack of consent from the girl in the story.

I don't know if Taboo is the right way to describe it either (this is why the whole conversation started, because I had described it as such).

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creakyknees13 · 09/12/2016 14:59

but Parliament could pass a law tomorrow, lowering the age of consent to 16

Typo, I meant to say 15.

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HoopsandEverything · 09/12/2016 15:09

Didn't even know about Romeo and Juliet dying - so clearly I actually did dissociate through that set of English and Drama lessons (even though I can weirdly remember acting scenes of it out).

Anyway, thank you for all the comments - it is appreciated. I think I need to work on lessening my reaction.

Someone asked - I have no idea if it's a book or not - I think it's something that is written on the internet.

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BeautyQueenFromMars · 09/12/2016 15:09

I hadn't heard of Lolita till I was in my very late twenties. It's not the only book in the world you know. (Aimed at the posters who are now trollhunting).

SnatchedPencil · 09/12/2016 15:10

It depends. Stories are written about illegal activities and become classics. You can't say that by definition any story about underage sex is wrong. It depends on the context, the purpose of the story, when it was written, why it was written. If it's written purely to sexually arouse the reader, yes it is wrong. If it is a story about surviving abuse, that may be a different matter.

It's like with visual images. Naturist photos of children are legal. It's legal for a parent to take a photo of their baby in the bath. But those very same photos will be deemed illegal, to be child pornography, if they are shared or stored or viewed in a different context.

The same applies to the written word. No subject is illegal to write about, but depending on what is written, how it was written, what the author's intentions were, these must be factored in when considering whether the words in question are legal.

Laws also vary from place to place. In many European countries the age of consent is 14, in others it is 18. Writing about your own sexual exploits at the age of 16 would reveal you were the victim and/or perpetrator of a sexual crime if the act took place in Malta or Turkey, whereas a German or Italian could legally have been sexually active for two years by then.

creakyknees13 · 09/12/2016 15:12

Didn't even know about Romeo and Juliet dying - so clearly I actually did dissociate through that set of English and Drama lessons (even though I can weirdly remember acting scenes of it out)

Whaaaaaat? You didn't know they died at the end? What did you think the play was about?

FrankAndBeans · 09/12/2016 15:16

There is no such thing as child pornography, only pictures of child abuse.

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HoopsandEverything · 09/12/2016 15:19

In my head it went like this:

Young lovers (like older teenagers) fall in love. They live in Italy and I can vaguely remember a marketplace being involved? There is a ball and one of them isn't allowed to go, but sneaks in. They end up in a bedroom and use a balcony to escape and run away together. I think they may have slipped someone some sleeping tablets at one stage? A guard? They live in a forest after they've escaped via the balcony and live happily ever after.

I was a donkey when we did it as a play. I can't quite remember where I came into it.

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Sloper · 09/12/2016 15:20

I've wondered about this too.

Could it also be that some writers fantasise about being the younger person, rather than the older one?

I've reported a hell of a lot of stuff on Archive of Our Own and so on. Usually the tags warn you but not always!

DailyNameChange · 09/12/2016 15:22

The age of romeo and juliet isn't directly relevant to the ending, most of the characters involved are young teens, as is true of other shakespear plays and of other literature of the time.

What is directly relevant, and so often over looked, is the 'a rose by any other name' monologue, because the point is that within this context everything is in the name- the fact that they come from opposite sides of warring factions everything in the story, it intensifies a romance that would have otherwise burnt out. Juliet is a frustrated bored kid desperate to escape her mother and experience life, romeo is in love with the idea of being in love, is in love with another girl at the begining, the whole point is that they are more attracted to each other precisely because they are a capulet and a Montague. What is in a name in this context is everything, it is their position in the world, their out look, their expectations, and their place in the long standing family drama, and because the wish to escape this they fall further for the forbidden side than they ever would have done if they had different last names that didn't carry such extreeme connatatons.

DailyNameChange · 09/12/2016 15:23

The donkey, or ass, is from midsumber nights dream

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HoopsandEverything · 09/12/2016 15:27

Thanks Daily. I was either totally unaware of it, or i had completely forgotten. Might go grab a copy of it when I get a chance and re-read it.

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SaltyBitch · 09/12/2016 15:32

What about erotica written by a teenager, about somebody their age with an older man?

DailyFail1 · 09/12/2016 15:44

From what I understand, Pedophilia laws don't apply to literature printed on the page (Romeo and Juliet, Marquis De Sade etc) but I think it's different for online published stories. Many countries do view them in the same way as they would any other child porn.

Re: Romeo and Juliet - the definition pedophilia has changed. Current def sex with someone under 16. When Romeo and Juliet was written it meant sex with someone who was pre-pubescent (so younger than 10), and in the story itself I think there were references to women giving birth at 12- so they were young adults back then not classified as children.

JAPAB · 09/12/2016 16:24

There is no such thing as child pornography, only pictures of child abuse.

The pictures do not have to either be of abuse. It could be animations or CGI-images of consensual activity between minors. The pictures might be consensually sent selfies between a teenage couple that an adult somehow got hold of. Or maybe taken by an adult they didn't know was watching. But pornography is pornography. Images of nudity or a sexually explicit nature. Child pornography is when it features minors. Well, the laws make illegal more than "images of child abuse" anyway.

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Valeriekat · 16/01/2022 11:20

@ ChaChaChaCh4nges

Don't try to normalise paedophilia.
I am sure you are aware of what this can lead to.

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