"Taboo" sex stories

[HoopsandEverything]

So, I think I may be told AIBU and am a prude, but would like to know what the general consensus is.

So, if a sex story, which is completely fictional involves a 14/15 year old girl - is that wrong or right?

Just words, no pictures. No lack of consent from the girl in the story.

I don't know if Taboo is the right way to describe it either (this is why the whole conversation started, because I had described it as such).

theres a massive difference between fictional erotica, and real images of sexual abuse, and real stories of sexual abuse are written about every bloody week in the shitty womens weekly magazines, and theyre pretty salacious, but theyre completely legal

I wouldnt be impressed with anyone who was into stories about underage sex, but I dont think they should be illegal

I write and publish Erotica.

There are sites that will publish stuff like this, but the major ones (Amazon especially) refuse. In fact Amazon will out and out ban you from ever publishing with them again if you so much as hint that your character is under 18.

IMO, it depends on the context as to whether this is okay or not. Straight up erotica, intended purely for titilation - no. Stick to 18+ preferably older.

Romantic erotica/steamy romance where the character meets their one true love and they stay with each other forever and ever/where there is a story line that is about engaging the reader and entertaining them as opposed to just getting them off - maybe, if it's done right. Although I'd stick to the safe side and have them wait until the MC were of age (becuase the extra money I get from 'Zon I need too much to risk)

It's fiction, I understand that. The characters are not real, but I feel a bit squicky about people getting off on the thought of minors DTD.

It depends on the context - I don't think you can make a blanket statement about it. I think you have to look at who's writing it and why, and the tone in which it's written. I can think of scenarios where it would make me intensely uncomfortable, but I can probably find novels where it happens and it's such a small part of a wider plot that it's all fine and dandy.

is erotic fiction which contains storylines involving acts that would be illegal if performed in real life OK because it's purely fictional?

Yes, this is what I was trying to say.

It is definitely fictional and taking place in the story. It is not something that has happened and has been described. Everything is made up.

One of Jilly Cooper's fairly recent novels - the one about the boarding school - has underage sex in it, between consenting teens.

Nope, I can't find underage or non consensual stuff sexy and I judge people who do.

I haven't seen the story, I believe it's on a website

I have really bad PTSD and things like this set it off. When it was being discussed I felt sick and in my mind it's not OK to write about, even though it didn't actually happen. There were some quite strong views that as it was a fantasy there was nothing wrong with it (as you can't control fantasies).

But if you write it down, it no longer is "just a fantasy" to me.

I totally get that my experiences may be making this a bigger deal that it is, but I am slightly confused some people I know (all be it, not very well) would think this was OK.

I know a bloke who openly admitted enjoying reading those awful misery lit books about abused children, you know the type entitled "Daddy, don't hurt me" etc with the image of a very sad child on the front cover. My estimation of him went right down (especially when he read them at his desk over his Pret sandwich).
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So does anyone know; is it illegal to publish writings about illegal acts in what is obviously meant to be an erotic outlet?

Yes, it's wrong.

Erotics is a sub set of fiction, not somehow distinguished by the emotions it feelings it engenders. If it is OK to stimulate rage or fear with an action that's horrific in reality, there is no difference for lust.

Does Ms Marple normalise the urges of murderers? Does Hannibal normalise cannibalism? Does Gone Girl normalise wives framing their husbands for murder (and committing murder themselves)?

Your tastes are your own, your critiques as valid as any other, but to declare a form of fiction wrong is a claim to authority unpossessed.

Also, thank you for the education on consent.
Yes, there is a lack of consent because of age then.

So whilst this is a "willing" participant is it rape that is actually being described in this story?

Are we talking about things written for money or fiction posted on sites such as Wattpad or AO3?

Somewhat off topic but the point of lolita is that it is child abuse, but that because the reader sees it through the abusers eyes they are manipulated into viewing it as an equal relationship where she pursues him. Ofcourse if you read it from a criticall view point there are hundreds of clues showing it is clearly abuse and that the abuser has 'rewritten' it to justfy his rape of a very vulnerable children. The films are useless representations of this sadly.

Ofcourse literature about child abuse is unacceptable. Something like romeo and Juliet is different as they are both young teenagers, it is a much more equal relationship, no abuse of power, and no gratuitous sex scene (it's all rather romantic hyperbole that teens love).

Literature about child abuse normalises it and makes it acceptable. It is also victim blaming.

Literotica?

There's some nasty stuff on there.

I write some horrific things in my other (horror/dark fantasy/gothic type stuff) but it serves a purpose in the wider story. It is not for titilation. I would judge someone who wrote the same things for the purpose of arousing their audience.

Rape fantasy, I kind of get. It's a common fantasy for women. I have wrote close to the line on that theme but even then I make it clear a few paragraphs before the action starts that the character has a safe word that will be respected.

But underage stuff, out and out child abuse, violent rape - ick. What kind of person gets aroused by that?

And op why are you asking?

So whilst this is a "willing" participant is it rape that is actually being described in this story?

Yes.

So does anyone know; is it illegal to publish writings about illegal acts in what is obviously meant to be an erotic outlet?

It is not illegal but many outlets wouldn't touch it with a ten foot barge pole.

There is a difference between describing a fictional event taking place within a story and describing something which is illegal in a story meant purely for titillation.

What, like all the murder thriller books we devour?

OK read second page now, ignore above question op

My view on 'taboo' (or its real name abuse) fiction is that only someone who wants to do that stuff would write about it.

I wouldn't say that. People write erotica about all kinds of crap. I'm fairly certain that the authors publishing shifter erotica have no desire to hump their pet dog. They write what sells or what they believe will sell. Taboo sells. And sadly underage, rape, incenstual taboo makes the most money.

I'd still judge someone who stooped that low for a fast buck. I'd question what kind of person they were morally. I wouldn't necessarily think they were a wannabe rapist or peadophile.

There is a difference between describing a fictional event taking place within a story and describing something which is illegal in a story meant purely for titillation.

What, like all the murder thriller books we devour?

I worded it clumsily, but i would have thought that writing and publishing obviously for the purpose of sexual arousal has to be constrained by the laws of the land doesn't it?

I mean i don't know. I'm asking! :)

I'd say there's another tyear of writer also, those who were victims themselves. They write it to 'normalise' their abuse, to rewrite it from a pov of power, the same way victims of abuse (some) can end up in sex industry or having risky sex or get into relationships with old men similar to their abuser (Amy fisher springs to mind) because it's a way of taking the thing they can't get over and giving it a new narrative with in their lives. It's not a healthy impulse, but it isn't abnormal for survivors either.