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"Taboo" sex stories

116 replies

HoopsandEverything · 09/12/2016 09:43

So, I think I may be told AIBU and am a prude, but would like to know what the general consensus is.

So, if a sex story, which is completely fictional involves a 14/15 year old girl - is that wrong or right?

Just words, no pictures. No lack of consent from the girl in the story.

I don't know if Taboo is the right way to describe it either (this is why the whole conversation started, because I had described it as such).

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HoopsandEverything · 09/12/2016 09:44

PS. I haven't read the story.

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AnyFucker · 09/12/2016 09:49

Who is trying to tell you that "stories" about under age sex are OK ?

In what context are the "stories" ?

ArmySal · 09/12/2016 09:49

Obviously if it's about an underage person.

ChaChaChaCh4nges · 09/12/2016 09:51

Are you talking about Erotica? So your question is really: is erotic fiction which contains storylines involving acts that would be illegal if performed in real life OK because it's purely fictional?

FrankAndBeans · 09/12/2016 09:51

Obviously wrong. It gives justification to paedophiles. It's the whole rape joke thing, when they're made and everyone laughs along it normalises it to the people that ARE rapists and sexual offenders. They think everyone does it.

RockyBird · 09/12/2016 09:52

Nancy Friday books are full of them. They were popular back when.

ChaChaChaCh4nges · 09/12/2016 09:53

And, if that is what you mean, then my initial reaction is that it's possibly a useful safety valve for people who might otherwise commit illegal acts, that I'd worry about them escalating to actually performing those acts, and that i wouldn't want to read it myself.

PortiaFinis · 09/12/2016 09:53

I think it's wrong. I don't know about legally but I think imagining having sex with someone below the age of 16 (if you are not in that general age group) is paedophilia fantasy. So writing about it is too. Maybe I am being prudish, I don't know.

I don't know where this leaves Judy Blume stories and stuff because I don't think of them as being that but then can't remember the ages of the characters in Forever and things.

Laiste · 09/12/2016 09:53

Most 'taboo' erotica stories sailing close to the underage wind usually have a line in them somewhere about the age of the younger participant being 'just' 18 or something.

Where have you seen this story OP? A website?

FilledSoda · 09/12/2016 09:54

That sounds so creepy.
I can't think how someone would try to say it's okay really.
By pictures , you don't mean photos do you?

MephistophelesApprentice · 09/12/2016 09:54

If fictional crimes are morally the same as real crimes, then authors are the greatest monsters on the planet.

I destroyed all life on Earth last night. I controlled a mans mind and made him murder his family. I made a concentration camp and committed despicable atrocities. I gunned down a group of civilians protesting against political oppression - men, women, children. I unleashed a virus that sterilised everyone with a particular genetic sequence.

Quick, someone. Lock me up.

Bloodybloodyheckers · 09/12/2016 09:55

Wrong, friends grandad used to have tons of the stuff about underage, incest etc.

Shockingly Hmm he was abusing her until the age of 12.

FrankAndBeans · 09/12/2016 09:57

Quick, someone. Lock me up.
The example you've given is completely irrelevant. We're talking about sexual abuse here.

And someone who suggested it could be an outlet, I do agree somewhat but you could also argue it could be an escalation and a trigger for people to act on their feelings.

scottishdiem · 09/12/2016 09:57

Sounds a little off. Guess we are not talking about Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov?

Meeep · 09/12/2016 09:58

I think an adult writing erotica about 14 year olds would be creepy. Although 50 years ago people might have thought differently I suppose.

An adult writing about a 14 year old having sex in a novel or short story wouldn't necessarily be wrong. Depends on the tone really!
Hard to say.

Laiste · 09/12/2016 09:58

There is a difference between describing a fictional event taking place within a story and describing something which is illegal in a story meant purely for titillation.

MephistophelesApprentice · 09/12/2016 09:58

The example you've given is completely irrelevant. We're talking about sexual abuse here.

I bloody murdered people! Horribly! And did a whole lot worse in that camp, I can tell you. I what possible sense is a crime of that scale irrelevant?

MephistophelesApprentice · 09/12/2016 10:00

There is a difference between describing a fictional event taking place within a story and describing something which is illegal in a story meant purely for titillation.

A: Really? What difference?

B: You don't think atrocities and mass rape are illegal?

C: You don't know for what purpose I write. Titillation may well be included.

FrankAndBeans · 09/12/2016 10:02

I what possible sense is a crime of that scale irrelevant?
Are you stupid? It's completely irrelevant because one is erotica and one is fiction. One is written to play on people's imagination, the other is written for people to get off over. Do you write about scenes of sexual abuse for people to get off on too?

Namechangebitch · 09/12/2016 10:04

Romeo and Juliet?

13 yr old girl totally fictional.

What is the context of the story?

Andrewofgg · 09/12/2016 10:04

Does anyone want to ban Lolita from being sold?

Or how about Romeo and Juliet given that she was only 14?

JellyBelli · 09/12/2016 10:05

Its not ok.

  1. It doesnt help pedophiles. They are not encouraged to keep photo albums of young children because its not healthy. Neither is fictional pornography.
  2. Its not pornography if its abuse, its abuse.
AlpacaPicnic · 09/12/2016 10:05

I suppose to me it would depend on who else is involved in the fictional sex. If it's another teenager then it's a bit ick but no different to say Judy Blume, or Sarah Dessen, or any teen romance/coming of age novel.
If it's an adult, then it's crossing a whole other line. But it is still fiction, but nothing I'd want to read.

givemegravyonemoretime · 09/12/2016 10:05

I think it would depend on the purpose of the story (as pp have commented), the context, and the other participants.

Under UK law there would be a lack of consent, wouldn't there? Can a 15 y/o legally consent to sex?

An erotic story about a 15 y/o girl having sex with an adult, for adults to read for gratification? I'd say wrong, along the lines of child pornography created using photoshop. It's clearly a story about abuse, and I'd share pp's concerns about legitimising that.

A story which features sexual experimention between two teenagers with no power imbalance etc.? For a teenage audience, as part of a responsible narrative that doesnt normalise abusive behaviour? I'd say fine.

FrankAndBeans · 09/12/2016 10:06

There is a world of difference between fiction and erotica. One is being sold purely for people to masturbate over. I am not comfortable with either containing sexual abuse to be completely honest but there is obviously a gulf of difference between the two.
I would consider anyone writing and distributing erotica featuring child abuse scenes to be morally repugnant.