To think 335,000 extra people coming to the UK in a year is too high

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Where will they all live? What jobs will they all do? I know it may help GDP, but that is irrelevant as GDP per head is the important thing.

It does seem to be race to the bottom with more part time work , uber type work and the country is borrowing more and more and the national debt is 35k per head now.

user1471439240 This might be a factor for somebody sitting at home in Bulgaria wondering what to do in 2017, but a quick check will reveal the pittance you would have left OVER from that 40 hour a week min wage job to send back. Nobody who comes here thinks "FAB - I can save/send €1200 a month back home! Just give me 5 years and I'll be all set."

Also, a GP I know in my city said that the recently had to recruit for a new GP at her (very large) surgery in a nice part of the country. They had 1 applicant. ONE. Before her interview, they were told to be nice, and not say ANYTHING to scare her off, because they were screwed if she didn't accept the job.

Surgeries all over the country are closing down because they can't get GP's, leaving 10's of 1000's of people without a GP. Fingers crossed that some of these lovely immigrants are bringing medical degrees with them that can be quickly converted to NHS specifications.

Immigrants tend to be young, healthy and highly motivated. Among them you probably get lazy, or violent, or uneducated people, but you know what? There are a few of those kicking around in the local, white, Anglo Saxon Protestant population too. But it just so happens that there aren't enough TAX PAYERS among those lovely pure-bred Brits, so until British people start having more babies, working and if at all possible, studying medicine, the UK is going to have to keep on importing workers, and with any luck start building more high density housing in cities outside London with all the lovely tax that the immigrant population is pouring into the Exchequer.

Yes, it's very tiresome that no discussion about immigration can happen without some wanker virtue signalling their non-racism by trying to shut it down.

Assuming 40hr per week - the minimum wage in Britain is €1646 EUROS.
Eastern European countries range around €300 - €400 per month

What about costs of living? How much do you really have left over from a MW job to send back home?

I have concerns for my small Mediterranean country too.. we have thousands of English retired citizens who dont pay a single euro in taxes and use our free health services, our roads, etc.

I wonder if the USA and Australia also have concerns about all the British immigrants who "steal their jobs"

You have to deduct the number of overseas students arriving from overseas from that figure though. Also there are more coming from non EU Countries than those from EU countries.

People want to come here, more than those who want to leave. You should celebrate that fact. The amount of illegal immigrants is a much smaller figure. As a country the UK is dismal in welcoming refugees. With global warming this will only get worse though, because a lot of refugees will come from ex Commonwealth countries (and the vast majority of them will have access to a British Passport).

Post Brexit, I've no idea how this will pan out. But, I do foresee a strain on our social services like never before. It will make the early nineties look like good times!

Our minumum wage is still around 10% higher than those countries, also our employment laws are more lax, enabling cash in hand work.

You can say that all you want but it doesn't make it true. And I say that as a staunch Trump hating lefty remainer.

Agreed.

You're wasting your time trying to reason with a GF called "user" though

How much do you really have left over from a MW job to send back home

I think that there are houses with house shares so you can save a lot of money on rent and other costs.

How many people can you fit in a house?

Here is a very different view to the OPs on the migration stats www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/12/01/immigration-stats-the-last-hurrah-of-a-successful-country

This is very interesting:
"The Office of Budget Responsibilty forecast in this month's autumn statement suggested that we would need to borrow an extra £16 billion by 2020/21 to make up for a reduction in immigration. After that it'll cost us an additional £6 billion a year. If we really were to cut down immigration to the tens of thousands, our debt-to-GDP ratio would nearly double on its current forecasts."

So by reducing immigrating we will all be a lot poorer- and that will hit the poorest hardest

You can say that all you want but it doesn't make it true

It's not me saying it that makes it true, its the fact that its true.

You have to deduct the number of overseas students arriving from overseas from that figure though.

Why? Students are people too And many international students stay in after graduation. So their needs as well as their headcount need to be known and catered for.

stay ON after....^

As to where will they all live and what jobs will they do?

The shitty places is where they will live and this will be supplement by the shitty jobs no one living here wants to do.

Personally I could buy a house tomorrow, never do it up and charge a fortune in rent that would net me a handsome annual profit. It's a shithole by the way, I've had a look at it. No way would anyone want to live there.

Nobody who comes here thinks "FAB - I can save/send €1200 a month back home! Just give me 5 years and I'll be all set."

Seriously?

I come from a country that used to have a high level of emigration and that is EXACTLY the type of calculation that is made.

You work out how to live as cheaply as possible so you can save the maximum.

Share a flat with more people than beds and sleep in shifts.

Live in shitty, dangerous accommodation because who cares? You are young and healthy and it's cheap.

I have done those calculations myself.

I can't tell if your ridiculous assertion is a lie or if you actually believe immigrants are too thick to do sums.

Flip it around, if you were a Brit picking Cabbages in a Lincolnshire field for €9.50 per hour and you could work in Poland doing the same for €40 per hour then where would you want to work?

The shitty places is where they will live and this will be supplement by the shitty jobs no one living here wants to do.

I think you're stereotyping there Glendon.

Flip it around, if you were a Brit picking Cabbages in a Lincolnshire field for €9.50 per hour and you could work in Poland doing the same for €40 per hour then where would you want to work?

What's motivation for immigration got to do with OP's question?

We all know WHY the UK is attractive to different immigrant demographics (be it cabbage picking rates, or a British spouse or high level tech jobs).

That's not what she's asking about.

To a certain extent I'm stereotyping Man, but I'm simply responding to the OP. Most people who move to the UK live in very naice homes, just like those who leave the UK to work and live abroad.

I don't know why these threads have to go so weird quite so fast.

user1471439240
Minimum wage in German is 8.50 euros for all 18s and over so higher currently than UK

Hundreds of thousands of people leave the UK because they think they'll have a better life elsewhere. And they do.

whether you think its too high or not is beside the point. If we want to trade with anywhere in the world, we and they will HAVE to accept migration to and from those countries, and without being able to trade elsewhere, the country will not be able to survive.

You cant just have no migration Its not how the world works, and never was

Again so many of you are all talking like the UK is some Utopia which migrants cannot and will not resist going forward. They will avoid us if the value of the pound/ welcome they receive is poor. In most cases migrants (particularly from the EU) have choices and they will choose better paying/more welcoming countries.

In reality a drop off in migrant numbers will be a sure sign that we have gone into serious economic depression.

If we want to trade with anywhere in the world, we and they will HAVE to accept migration to and from those countries

That's not even a little bit true.

This is what Michael Rosen has to say on the subject:

"Concerns about immigration"? Where does that come from?

The media keep saying:

"People are expressing concerns about immigration
People are expressing concerns about immigration
People are expressing concerns about immigration"

If you are registered as non-dom you can run a business
in the UK but pay no tax. This costs us billions.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration."

If the government cuts public services, they increase
pressure on public services.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration."

Since 1980, wealth has shifted from labour to capital.
In other words those that 'have', have more; those that
have the least, have less. Those that have the least
have given wealth to those that have more.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration"

The government regularly announces that it freezes
the wages of public service workers. This means that
people can afford less. Their living standards decline.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration"

The government has repeatedly brought in policies
which have helped to increase the price of houses.
The proportion of people's income required to rent or buy
has steadily risen. Flats and houses cost more to live in.
There is less space per pound of people's income.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration"

Some people do not know that the main reasons for their
standard of living to go down are nothing to do with immigration.
Instead, they keep hearing:

"People are expressing concerns about immigration."

You know what happens next?

some people express some concern about immigration.
After all, people can only think what they think
based on available information.
The media supply the available information.
They keep saying:

'People are expressing concerns about immigration."

The government laughs quietly to itself:
"People do not blame us for their living standards going down,
they blame immigration."

HTH