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To think 335,000 extra people coming to the UK in a year is too high

932 replies

jdoe8 · 01/12/2016 10:04

Where will they all live? What jobs will they all do? I know it may help GDP, but that is irrelevant as GDP per head is the important thing.

It does seem to be race to the bottom with more part time work , uber type work and the country is borrowing more and more and the national debt is 35k per head now.

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formerbabe · 06/12/2016 14:15

I worry about the real racists who have entered our country

Me too. Racism towards non white people in EE countries is absolutely shocking. Immigrants can be racist too.

SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 14:15

plenty of countries are having to put up with our own British criminals in their countries you know

That may be so, but what has made Sweden the Rape Capital of Europe? The police say it is immigration from various parts of the world.

SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 14:23

Actually that's not quite what Mme Bouchart said

!!? You think that Mme Bouchart spoke only once? In the quote I read at the time she talked about the generous benefits system GB has.

usuallydormant · 06/12/2016 14:40

Wasonthelist, I'm afraid you are totally wrong. The EU sets out guidelines on FOM, it is up to individual countries to implement them and it is totally within the UK's power to change it, but it has to change it for everyone, it can't have one rule for UK citizens and another for EU citizens. The UK has a system that allows anyone to claim benefits without contributing anything.

It is not up to the EU to tell the UK how to run its benefits system but it does say that all EU citizens have to be treated equally, so if you allow Joe from Manchester to rock up and demand a free house despite never having worked a day in his life, you have to do the same for Paddy from Galway or Pedro from Madrid.

And the UK's system is not necessarily the most generous - it is just the easiest to access without paying any contributory taxes. Actually, I know of lots of English people in the west of Ireland who moved there to be on the dole as it was a lot more generous that what they got in the UK.

What % of EU migrants claim out of work benefits? I would guess that the reason the govt hasn't changed the benefits laws is because it is simply not worth the effort for the amount of money you have saved because the majority of EU migrant come to work, not to sponge off the state.

Lndnmummy · 06/12/2016 14:48

Manumission I know, we are good. I am just trying to explain a dilemma I never thought I would have. Having to explain this to a for year old is not something I ever thought id have to do. But I do now, after having believed I was "one of you" for 20 + years. I suddeny have to promve my worth. The worst things is that my sons belonging is only questioned because he is black. His father is black and as british as they come. I am white but now the poor mite ie being questioned on his authencity from all levels. Ethnically as well as culturally. And it is breaking my heart

Lndnmummy · 06/12/2016 14:51

Southall girl, where are the figures to support your statement that "sweden is the rape capital of Europe"? As a Swede, (and someone immensly proud of how Sweden has supported Immigrants) id like to review that fact, please.

Sobachka · 06/12/2016 15:00

Lndn, a few posts on this thread have mentioned the racism of Eastern Europeans towards non-white minorities. Have you personal experience of this?

Manumission · 06/12/2016 15:00

You are one of us Lndn. Settled with British DC is settled with British DC.

Crazy times though Sad

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 06/12/2016 15:02

Lndnmummy that is truly awful what is being said to your ds

this is the issue with this discussion it absolutely has to be had for too long its has been pushed to the side. we know that we have racist people here in the uk (on the whole I think the UK is a reasonably tolerant country), we have to tackle head on the racist's that think their feelings have been validated by brexit and we have to have a discussion about immigration in the future

This isn't only happening in the UK its all over Europe and US we can not allow the far right to gain more power, to think what so nearly happened in Austria is truly frightening but by not listening to people who are saying lets have a reasonable discussion about immigration (and there is nothing wrong with that) we will see a rise for far right parties because they will also be the parties that will appeal to the people who have been left behind by globalisation which most western governments have embraced

SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 15:32

Lndnmummy Just google it, plenty of information there about the huge increase in rape, esp. in southern Sweden. I looked at the figures in January, when I was on the 'Cologne' threads here on MN.

Klaphat · 06/12/2016 15:51

Have you tried looking at explanations of those rape figures that didn't come from alt-right sources, SouthallGirl? My guess is no. Or that you have, but you'd rather believe there's some kind of rape epidemic, and the differences in the way rape is recorded in Sweden compared to elsewhere can't possibly have anything to do with it.

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SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 16:05

Have you tried looking at explanations of those rape figures that didn't come from alt-right sources

Yes, have you? I cannot abide rape apologists.

Klaphat · 06/12/2016 16:08

Yes, have you? I cannot abide rape apologists.

Yes. What has that got to do with rape apologists? Enlighten me.

Manumission · 06/12/2016 16:29

At least it IS a fairly cordial conversation for a change just.

None of the issues in society will get better by retreating to opposite corners and screaming at each other that we're 'rancid'.

The chasm right down the middle will become permanent if we aren't careful.

Lndnmummy · 06/12/2016 16:30

Southhall girl, im loathe to "google it" as google "facts" tend to do us no favours in fraught matters. I hope that we all learned that frm brexit. You can thus agree, surely, that "an increase in rape in southern sweden" does not equate to the "rape capital of europe". No? Noone (and definately not any Swedes that I know of) will ve any kind of rape apologist.
However, I and the vast majority of my fellow Swedes will simply not blame any ol' immigrant for Sweden becoming some rape central of Europe. That is just wrong.

Thank you everyone for your lovely supportive comments. Fraught times hey? But "we" shall overcome them the way "we" have overcome other blips in history. Let us keep calm (note to self) and carry on.

WrongTrouser · 06/12/2016 17:38

A well argued, thoughtful and considered contribution from Just there. No need to discuss the complex questions arising from increasing immigration: let's just call each other names, much better.

SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 17:43

That's right, WrongTrouser. It's always sad to see geniuses lose it with "the uneducated".

dontcrynow · 06/12/2016 17:47

Just your contribution to this thread does you no favours. I suggest you stop reading the thread if it gives you such rage

formerbabe · 06/12/2016 17:51

Uve given me the fuckin rage you pathetic rancid, xenophobic, small minded, gullible, uneducated cock wombles

Lovely.

It's this kind of attitude which has shut down any sensible debates on immigration and imo led to the divisions and anger we see today.

Genevieva · 06/12/2016 17:57

Happy to agree with you on that former babe

My earlier comment (I don't know if you read that bit) was that one way of controlling immigration without being racist would be to require countries to reciprocate. Anyone who comes to the UK at present can move from one visa to another until they reach citizenship. There are some countries where UK nationals can do that, but many where they can't. Even Poland has a very restrictive approach to citizenship. I don't know how it squares with EU law, but I guess it must. If we only gave citizenship to countries that offer the opportunity of citizenship to British nationals then, not only would it be fair, but those countries might become more diverse too. It wouldn't solve everything, but I think it would help balance the opportunities for international migration.

woodhill · 06/12/2016 18:03

Yes the irony of the uneducated commentConfused

SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 18:07

So if a dickhead asks my son "when his mum is going home to her own country" i say to my son that "we are here already in our own country

You are saying that your 4 yr old boy is asked the above? Sorry, I just don't believe that anyone would ask a toddler such a question.

Inkanta · 06/12/2016 18:19

Lndnmummy

'As a Swede, (and someone immensly proud of how Sweden has supported Immigrants) id like to review that fact, please.'

I'm confused. Are you Swedish and British, - and living in Britain, and your child was told to go home - meaning go back to Sweden?

Lndnmummy · 06/12/2016 18:20

Southall Girl, hard to believe I know- no need to be sorry (unless you are insinuating that my post is untruthful). Never a predicament Id expect to find myself in.

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