To think 335,000 extra people coming to the UK in a year is too high

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Where will they all live? What jobs will they all do? I know it may help GDP, but that is irrelevant as GDP per head is the important thing.

It does seem to be race to the bottom with more part time work , uber type work and the country is borrowing more and more and the national debt is 35k per head now.

Formerbabe - the Indian man who runs the "nevashuts" at the end of my friend's road told her the same thing the other day. He said there were "too many bloody immigrants" and it was ruining the country - he moved here himself about 15 years ago. He then went on to say that he was ONLY talking about Eastern European migrants, apparently immigration from America, Western Europe or Asia doesn't count!!

I have no idea what he sees in his work or outside it to give him that idea, but when even people who've moved here think there are too many people moving here, it's a bit of an eye opener, surely.

One of my friends is an immigrant and she often says she believes there's too much immigration in the UK and if it was happening in her home country, that people would be seriously angry about it!

Poles and Baltics that I know either socially or through them doing jobs for me, all say the same. Mass immigration would NEVER be allowed in their countries and there would be very voluble and physical protests. EU or not, availability of jobs or not, the diluting of towns by non-nationals would not be allowed, and the proliferation of shops selling British produce such a PG Tips, cornflakes, etc (as EU shops in England cater for their tastes). It would be made so difficult for them to continue by the locals, they would close.

The language of PC has not yet reached Poland and the Baltic states.

SouthallGirl

Agree...yet, if a British person even dares to utter a slight concern over the pressure on public services caused by migration, they are completely vilified.

Is it really fair to take, not only, the best and the brightest from developing countries but also the strong healthy unskilled group that is able to be mobile. We are just draining resources from countries that need them. How is that good for global equality.

Refugees or migrants are given no greater rights to housing than the indigenous population. Actually now with most councils applying residency tests they have less entitlement than people who lived in the area for so many years. Unfortunately that is also a barrier to internal migrants

Really? seriousl;y?Not whwre I live. and that was proven on that programme about councils and housing in Hounslow.

The figures from the Office of National Statistics

In 2015 approximately 13.3% (8.6 million) of resident population were born outside the UK. In 2004 it was 1 in 11 (5.3 million) that makes an increase of 3.3 million people (which is 65% increase)

This also covers a time when we went through a very difficult recession and suffered many cut backs to services it simply doesn't make sense to be allowing such high numbers to come here when we struggle to provide services for people already here

And as for those saying they pay into the system of course many do but it takes time for the money they do pay to filter into the system

Really? seriousl;y?Not whwre I live. and that was proven on that programme about councils and housing in Hounslow

I saw that programme as well - "How to Get a Council House" which featured the Borough of Hounslow. It showed a Romanian family with 4 children who had arrived in London, didnt know anyone, little money, expecting to be housed justlike that. They had closed up their house back home and travelled here by coach. The first night they were put up by a kindly West Indian pastor in his church house, he cooked them a full English the next day and took them to Kensington council (don't know why) who refused the family.

The next day he took them to the Hounslow Council offices. The housing officer was shocked when she learned what he had done, which was to up sticks and move without having money enough for a room. On the next day they were seen by a second housing officer, more senior, and this time with an interpreter.

This time we learned that the man had registered at a Job Centre and this is what swung it for them. Not that he had intentionally made his family homeless and therefore was not eligible, but that he had registered for work.

It was never made clear how this could be, because you have to have an address and he did not.

Anyway, after 4 hours of waiting they were given the keys to a council house - not in Hounslow, but in Birmingham because a 3 bed house in Hounslow would cost £2,000 pm, in Birmingham it's £850.

They were given free train and underground tickets and off they went. We see them arriving at their new house in Brum - a well-appointed, recently-decorated terrace, all spick & span. He & she were been told that if one of them has not found work within 5 weeks they may be evicted. The programme returns to them 7 weeks later and they are both still not working and no sign of eviction.

That's the way to do. May still be available on catch-up TV.

You try doing that in any other EU country - you'd be given short shrift.

Anyway, after 4 hours of waiting they were given the keys to a council house

It was a private let.

Manumission said: It was a private let

It may have been, it may not. Councils do buy up private property as well, as do housing associations. The point is it was being fully supported and paid for from the public purse. The family had no money, not even for food, so CTax, utilities and water were all paid by the taxpayer. Two of the kids were found school places, the family registered with a GP.

These are the 49,000 who permanently relocated overseas, presumably, which means HMRC was notified.

OK, but I have permanently relocated overseas. As permanently as anyone else, at least. And I have no idea whether HMRC know - Student Finance know, but I haven't notified anyone apart from them. That was my point.

Agree...yet, if a British person even dares to utter a slight concern over the pressure on public services caused by migration, they are completely vilified.

No you are not, as has been demonstrated on this thread. People have politely disagreed - not the same

The point is it was being fully supported and paid for from the public purse
Sounds unlikely as EU migrants now cannot claim Housing Benefit - see www.itv.com/news/2016-02-03/what-benefits-can-eu-migrants-claim/

No I mean it was a private let, not just that I thought it looked like one.

I'm pretty sure of the memory because of all the debate that episode provoked at the time.

Agree...yet, if a British person even dares to utter a slight concern over the pressure on public services caused by migration, they are completely vilified.

No you are not, as has been demonstrated on this thread. People have politely disagreed - not the same

Maybe not on this thread but look how those people who voted to leave the EU have been spoken about? Apparently we are all racist little Englanders who voted for no other reason than immigration. Fwiw, nearly every single one of my non white friends voted to leave.

The point is it was being fully supported and paid for from the public purse. The family had no money, not even for food, so CTax, utilities and water were all paid by the taxpayer. Two of the kids were found school places, the family registered with a GP.

The underlying issue was that social services would have had a duty to the family (to provide shelter) if housing services had maintained their original 'no duty' position. SS had already provided the family with at least one night of (hotel?) accommodation before the second interview at housing services.

So there was a behind the scenes debate about who would take responsibility and housing services were persuaded to look again - hard- for a basis on which they had an obligation to the family. What they came up with made little sense, it's true, but in the end Hounslow council or immigration services would have paid.

We don't allow children to sleep homeless on the streets in the UK, so if the occasional feckless person is going to be insane enough to arrive here with their children but without money or accommodation, a solution will be found. None of the alternatives are very edifying.

www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe

9 May 2016 - Poland will not be accepting a single refugee "because there is no mechanism that would ensure safety", the most powerful politician in the ............

No refugees in Poland, I don't know about other immigrants.

Manumission You don't seem to understand what a private let is.

For that particular family, Birmingham Council is paying the rent,the CTax, utilites, food vouchers, everything.

WHERE do you think the Romanian family would get the money as neither adult is working?

I think it's the effect on housing which makes me frustrated plus the cost of university for our dc and I believe that some overseas students default on their loans or probably get free tuition etc as their parents are low earners.

I worry for my own dc in terms of cost of housing etc and I think non stop immigration is detrimental to their future.

justicewoman That programme about Hounslow Council was made before March 2015 when HB was being maide to all and sundry coming from the EU.

I think there might be class issue in the UK.
Those in power, the middle classes who can choose where to live, can send their DCs off to a good US university (or anywhere else). And see globalism as a good thing, DCs might work in Singapore, Zurich wherever. Cannot empathise with those at the other end, stuck in low paid work, no choice of where to live. Who find their home town filled with incomers who speak a different language (who, because of the numbers have no need to integrate with the locals) and possibly have a quite different culture.

Many European countries do not have the Private/public school segregation we have here so all are affected by the immigration. So the middle classes have a less sympathetic view of immigration compared to those in power here.

Manumission You don't seem to understand what a private let is.

Charming

The whole subject of Hounslow/Romania man was originally cited as proof that immigrants have favourable access to social housing. He wasn't given social housing, he was given a taxpayer funded private let. It makes a difference; To the housing list, To security of tenure, To COST.

For that particular family, Birmingham Council is paying the rent,the CTax, utilites, food vouchers, everything.

WHERE do you think the Romanian family would get the money as neither adult is working?

I know who's footing the bill. It's still not social housing. That's not how social housing is defined.

But I'm finding the preoccupation with social housing on this thread a bit confusing anyway.

MissMargie I agree that the larger the number of any ethnicity relocating to GB means the less need to integrate. I know a Polish man who has been in England for 12 yrs, runs a gardening business (him and BiL) and can barely speak English.

I'm afraid that language is key. Those of a professional class who come to GB but never learn the language well (some people just do not, it's a brain thing) are the ones who end up doing semi-skilled work and never realising their potential.

Council flats selling to the tenants? It still goes on, doesn't it?

RTB still exists, but I can't get worked up about it in relation to this debate. It doesn't take homes out of occupation (how often do you hear of an ex council flat as a second home or left empty by an oligarch?) it just moves them between tenures.

Most immigrants don't apply for social housing anyway.

Its quite pertinent that just 6 months ago this very question could not have been asked. The cries of "ism" and "ist" with a few biscuits tossed in would have closed down debate.
Is there a hole in the echo chamber?

This makes me so sad. I. Came to this country 10 years ago and have always lived from savings and then my job.
I pay my taxes, I work full time and volunteer, I help others, I take care of myself, rarely drink, dont smoke, only see doctor when absolutely necessary...
I just wish the debate was more on tax evasion, people claiming benefits when they shouldnt and more.

So many Brits move to my country as pensioners and use public healthcare so much more than young workers do here. The pound is also stronger than my homeland currency and they buy all the houses locals cant afford. Yet they are left alone.

Can I be left alone too? I am a good hard working person, can I spend 1 day without someone commenting on how I shouldnt have come?

the diluting of towns by non-nationals would not be allowed, and the proliferation of shops selling British produce such a PG Tips, cornflakes, etc (as EU shops in England cater for their tastes). well Southall you obviously havent been to my country where there are certain areas that have been completely taken over by pensioners from the UK.
So dont speak of something you dont know.
You can imagine where I am from. A very sunny place that people from here love but apparently they dont love when we come over here