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To think 335,000 extra people coming to the UK in a year is too high

932 replies

jdoe8 · 01/12/2016 10:04

Where will they all live? What jobs will they all do? I know it may help GDP, but that is irrelevant as GDP per head is the important thing.

It does seem to be race to the bottom with more part time work , uber type work and the country is borrowing more and more and the national debt is 35k per head now.

OP posts:
Elendon · 01/12/2016 15:47

From the link:

34.5 million visitors to the UK as opposed to 60.1 million visits abroad from the UK.

Astonishing!

Manumission · 01/12/2016 15:49

It's another "anonymously named poster desperately in search of a fight" shockers fizz Smile

Manumission · 01/12/2016 15:53

34.5 million visitors to the UK as opposed to 60.1 million visits abroad from the UK.

How do you mean el? There's a capacity issue at play isn't there? There's a finite supply of hotel rooms and flights into the UK for visitors coming in and an enormous world out there for British tourists. I thought our tourism industry was pretty healthy.

FizzBombBathTime · 01/12/2016 15:54

manu I've warned you about this before! Remember my mantra?!

user1480182169 · 01/12/2016 15:55

It's another "anonymously named poster desperately in search of a fight"

Nope, its another "anonymously named poster desperately in search of some sense, and some posters who have a grasp of the facts in the subject they are debating" shocker.

Still looking.

Manumission · 01/12/2016 15:58

fizz Grin

The other good mantra is "ignore the fighty bastards" Smile

Matador · 01/12/2016 15:58

Suppermummy02

Care to explain how you think that link supports your argument? If you actually do, that is.

FizzBombBathTime · 01/12/2016 16:11

user you've got it wrong again. You mean:

'Anonymously named poster desperately looking for a bun fight'

You're welcome, I usually charge for marking and corrections.

Elendon · 01/12/2016 16:13

Man . Interesting isn't it? I would posit that it's due to a multitude of reasons.

The size of this island would be a plus! It's easier to get around, however, due to infrastructure, the roads are congested and rail journey is expensive. So not really so easy.

We are not as multicultural as we like to think we are.

There isn't really enough places to stay in that are cheap and chic and affordable.

People leave this country to travel because they are fed up with the weather, it's cheaper than holidaying at home in many cases and they enjoy the culture of other countries (maybe there is a lack of culture in this country?)

OxfordStreet · 01/12/2016 16:19

16. Many migrants might work hard but, when they work at or close to the minimum wage, as is the case for nearly half of those from Eastern Europe, they pay very little in tax and many will make no contribution at all. Research claiming that recent EEA migrants contribute far more than they receive critically failed to take any account of income levels in estimating the cost of the means-tested benefits. In fact, as this paper shows, those with families may receive far more from the taxpayer in cash benefits than they pay in tax and National Insurance.

This is absolutely correct. If we are speaking of European-EU people who come here to work, unless they are professional class they do tend to be semi-skilled and therefore probaby pull in £320 for a 40 hr week. They are eligible for working tax credits, pension credits, housing benefit, reduced CTax, etc. They are not net contributors and the sooner this is acknowledged the better.

They are here to make some money, experience a better standard of life but their presence, although helpful, is not filling up the exchequer.

If we are speaking of EU people who originally came from outside of Europe, lived in Europe for a few years in order to get their papers and then moved to the UK, then you are looking at mostly unskilled. Some have never worked for longer than a few months, some have never worked since arriving in the EU.

At the moment they have the right under Freedom of Movement to move here and become claimants from Day 1. Those with children can apply for housing here while still in Europe.

Elendon · 01/12/2016 16:19

I remember once whilst living in Norn Ireland (which is a real success when it comes to multicultural living now, despite it's troubled past), way back in the day, they had a Bronte Country run, because Patrick Bronte came from where I used to live. It was absolutely dire. The sentiment was great, but the signposting was awful and his family home was just a ruin - and he wasn't a writer of novels either. It didn't last long.

Manumission · 01/12/2016 16:19

Yes ISWYM. A lot of moving parts.

Elendon · 01/12/2016 16:24

They are eligible for working tax credits, pension credits, housing benefit, reduced CTax, etc. They are not net contributors and the sooner this is acknowledged the better.

Can you link to this?

DoinItFine · 01/12/2016 16:27

You need a link to the fact that people on NMW are entitled to in-work benefits?

Workers from the EU are entitled to the same benefits as UK workers.

I'm interested in a link to the figures on the profiles of EU workers in the UK.

OxfordStreet · 01/12/2016 16:31

Someone upthread stated that we need immigrants to staff our hospitals. We have a situation now where immigrant staff are 'servicing' immigrant patients.

I work in a large teaching hospital and our OP clinics are packed to the rafters. It is impossible to lay on more clinics because we are constrained by number of consulting rooms, medical and admin staff. Each day is fully booked out with clinics, unless of course the govt is thinking of having late-night clinics at 8pm.

But which doctor is going to be able to do such a long shift? It would mean hiring extra doctors just for the evening shifts, as well as imaging staff. And then there's the extra dictation and transcription burden on admin staff - when is the secretary going to do her tapes?

Many immigrants from outside of EU who came here direct have longstanding health problems which have to be attended to. They are the biggest users of various specialties and the most expensive because interpreters are provided, and the annual bill for that, in just one hospital, can be millions of pounds.

thisisafakename · 01/12/2016 16:31

They are eligible for working tax credits, pension credits, housing benefit, reduced CTax, etc. They are not net contributors and the sooner this is acknowledged the better

Yes, please do provide a link. Because they cannot claim housing benefit anymore. Nor can they claim working tax credits. They can claim JSA, child benefit and child tax credits.

OxfordStreet · 01/12/2016 16:35

I know a lot of people from one particular EU country. They are very hard working with a strong work ethic. Some men come here without their families and work off the cards. They rent a room in a shared house to keep their outgoings low and barely socialise. Their sole reason is to earn as much money as possible, return home and that money will see them comfortably through half a year probably.

woodhill · 01/12/2016 16:38

Also I was led to understand that if they return home during the tax year then they may receive a tax rebate so I'm sure this is put to good use.

OxfordStreet · 01/12/2016 16:41

they cannot claim housing benefit anymore. Nor can they claim working tax credits

I'm speaking of those who have been in England for at least 3 years. If they are working a PAYE job and take-home pay is low, they do claim HB. A couple here with a child, he's working, she's part time, do qualify for help with rent. Rent is extremely expensive in the Greater London area, as you know. They'll be lucky to find a 1 bed flat for £1,200 pm.

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-to-stop-migrants-claiming-housing-benefit

formerbabe · 01/12/2016 16:43

Very few of us are net contributors, especially once you have children. You need to be earning a fair bit before you cover all the NHS/schools and other services you use. Immigrants are no different. The ones in low paid jobs with children will be taking out way more than they put in once you count cb, CTC, wtc, NHS, school places etc.

DoinItFine · 01/12/2016 16:44

That link is about jobseekers. Not people who are working.

OxfordStreet · 01/12/2016 16:45

Only if they are working PAYE, Woodhill

OxfordStreet · 01/12/2016 16:51

Didnt Mrs May say that as of April 2017 everyone who moves from the EU has to be coming to a job they have secured. If they come without having a job to go to, they will not be allowed to claim. I wonder how that will work?

user1471439240 · 01/12/2016 16:53

It is as though some people are being deliberately thick, or perhaps they employ cheap Eastern European labour, perhaps?

BeckerLleytonNever · 01/12/2016 17:00

there are currently a quarter of a million people homeless in Britain according to todays red button news.

I understand most are british.

I know where you're coming from OP.

(and I voted remain btw, )

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