£5 note contains animal fat. For vegetarians and vegans

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news.sky.com/story/vegan-campaigners-demand-animal-fat-removed-from-new-1635-notes-10676891

I hope this raise awareness.

I am not a vegetarian but people who choose to be should know that bank notes be aware.

Eggs I only use free range from a local farm. But of course egg and egg products in a lot of other products so it becomes very hard to police.

Wool, no shearing is not beneficial to sheep, it's done very fast and with no consideration for animal welfare and can result in broken, jaws, wrenches joints etc also some sheep can't tolerate the cold and become ill from this.

Ah, thank you. I genuinely didnt know about the wool. I assumed that proper free range (not supermarket defined free range) eggs would be ok, but wasnt sure.

Graphista

Actually is easier for sheep to
regulate their temperature when shorn

When you shear a sheep, you leave an eighth of an inch of wool on the animal. This might not sound like much, but it's the thickness of the average wool blanket. And sheep have a much warmer body temperature than you or I do-on average, it's 101.5-102.5 degrees Farenheit. They're naturally better prepared to handle being outdoors.

Also it's easier for lambs to suckle aswell when shorn!

Oh and going back to the notes - according to the media today all notes have this substance in them - the fuss is thatbits present in new ones but beigmproduced. But it's hypocritical if they carry on using the old ones!

Mummy I don't want to derail but I disagree. I grew up near farms I saw how the animals were treated it's what turned me veggie!

I would like a definitive ruling on eggs though.

A vegan friend of mine will eat eggs or food containing egg that I have cooked because I have my own chooks in the backyard. She says that there is no cruelty in how they live (and in fact, calls them spoilt), so it is fine within her ethical framework.

I don't agree with recalling them, the damage has been done. But I agree with the need to use a plant based polymer in future notes.

Just because some things are made using tallow doesn't mean we shouldn't seek better options going forward, ones that don't involve the slaughtering of animals.

I don't see why that's worthy of ridicule by some people.

I've seen some vegan business owners talking about how they're going to refuse to accept them as payment. I could be wrong (and someone will no doubt correctly me swiftly and coldly if I am) but I was led to believe that if something is declared legal tender, then as a business you are legally required to accept it as payment?

I remember a while back on another forum there was a big kerfuffle about accepting payment in the form of hundreds of pennies, nickels and dimes. People didn't want to do it because it was inconvenient and frankly a pain in the backside, but because those coins were still legal tender, the payment had to be accepted.

As I understood it (and again, I could be wrong), the only exception is if you're trying to pay for a pack of gum with a benjamin at the buttcrack of godawful in the morning, when they haven't been to the bank and physically can't make that much change - so then it's not so much a case of "I am refusing to take your money" as it is a case of "I literally do not have enough change in the register to process this payment, it's a logistic thing not me being uppity".

All our bank notes have contained this for years. I don't understand the fuss now?

I won't ever eat meat and I avoid buying products tested on animals, wouldn't own anything made of leather etc. but I wouldn't refuse to sit on someone else's leather sofa or the like and, in the same vain, I'm not going to refuse to handle 5 pound notes though it annoys me that they've done this as it's clearly not necessary. Not much I can do about it though.

Fair enough Crash!

My personal distaste aside, I find it's amazing how many meat-eaters berate me (and it IS berating) if I don't do veganism 'properly' i.e. as they think it should be done. This thing with money means more twats people will be mocking my diet and telling me off for bothering with it since I can't be absolutely thorough.

Fucks me right off. I honestly don't mention my diet unless someone asks, so I could do without stepping up the interrogation quota!!

Coppers are only legal tender to one level, "silver" coins to another, pounds to another, and so on, and if I could be arsed I would look it up and set out the figures.

Notes are legal tender to any figure - subject of course to money-laundering laws at the high end! But a retailer (as opposed to a retailer's employee) could, I suppose, say "No fivers accepted" and sacrifice good business.

In a few years all notes will be like the new fivers and nobody is going to spend good money looking for a plant polymer instead. As others have said, there is no getting away from animal products. Live with it.

My only rule is 'if it had a face, I ain't eating it'

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(Lighthearted btw)

Came here to make a "I'll take them off your hands" joke. Way too late!

^FizzBombBathTime* When I was a child there was talk that one day we would all eat plankton. That will trouble the people who won't eat anything which had a face!

The only veggie I know well is my niece, now 41 and veggie since she was 14. Not the least bit self-righteous about it - she was when she started but that may have had more to do with being 14 than with being a veggie. Show me a 14 who is not self-righteous about something!

Andrew 😂

Are plankton edible then?

As a vegetarian, I'd rather a bit of animal product than the amount of sperm, faeces (plus any other human deposit) and illegal drugs found on banknotes.

Bogeyface

Do people really say that?! Fuckwits.

I'm not sure why noting the contents of my lunch makes people feel entitled to enquire into my sex-life, but apparently it does.

The catch-22 of the situation is that if we all accept that animal products are used in such a huge range of products that they're impossible to fully avoid, then the only recourse left is to campaign for them NOT to be used in said products. They're only used because it's cheaper and costs money to find an alternative, but if enough of the public demanded that they do so, their hands would be forced. So we need to speak up!

But then in raising the issue, we get told to "get a life" and stop being so "self-righteous". Which IS perplexing, given that we've got no problem with average joe public doing whatever they want, living their life and using these five pound notes (or whatever plastic product/software conditioner). We understand that not everybody cares what's in them, and not everybody has the time or inclination to make a fuss. But for those of us who do, we have to try to persuade the companies/governments to change things (as established above, it is our only recourse after all). It's just a shame so many normal people find that so objectionable.

Wool, no shearing is not beneficial to sheep, it's done very fast and with no consideration for animal welfare and can result in broken, jaws, wrenches joints etc also some sheep can't tolerate the cold and become ill from this.
I genuinely wonder where you got this information.

FizzBomb Are plankton edible? I don't know. This may have been a bit of future-guessing at the time. I was a child then and I'm 64 now so go figure.

Chewedup You lose me half way. You agree that animal products are used because they are cheaper, and you say you have no problem "with average joe public doing whatever they want, living their life and using these five pound notes". But you want to campaign for the use of an alternative which would - as you seem to accept - cost us all more money. The Bank can't realistically issue animal-fat and non-animal fat fivers, and I don't see why it should spend public money issuing the more expensive alternative.

I was told that some breeds of sheep will suffocate and die if not shorn.

But you want to campaign for the use of an alternative which would - as you seem to accept - cost us all more money

I'm working on the assumption that research and development of cheaper alternatives would be driven by business before governments.

Wool, no shearing is not beneficial to sheep, it's done very fast and with no consideration for animal welfare and can result in broken, jaws, wrenches joints etc also some sheep can't tolerate the cold and become ill from this.

Did you just make this up? Genuine question.

Have you never seen on the news/internet/animal rescue programmes neglected sheep that have never been sheared? They are under strain from the weight,They struggle to walk, They can have infections under their coat not visible to the eye etc.

You can see how much happier they are once they have been rescued and sheared.

I am assuming that the new notes are not produced from animal friendly facilities?

Why would you assume that?

I would imagine it comes from all sorts of places, both high and low welfare slaughter houses, it is a by product of the meat industry.