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To cancel this Christmas visit?

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MsGameandWatch · 13/11/2016 06:56

Dd has autism. She's very high functioning but just can't cope with busyness and noise and too much going on. This weekend we have been at my parents and it was massively busy, loads of relatives trooping in and out. She managed well into mid evening when one of my parents mildly told her off for something (I wasn't in the room) and she reacted very badly resulting in him yelling at her and her melting down completely. There is history to this. My Dad was very difficult and disbelieving about the diagnosis in the first place although he seemed to come round. No similar incidents in recent years. After she calmed down she managed to tell me she can't deal with all the noise here and we stayed too long - two nights. It's huge for her to manage to tell me this.

We are supposed to be here for three nights over Christmas. I don't want too. I know she won't cope and she has begged me to let her stay at home for Christmas and not being her away.

I know my parents will sulk if this is cancelled - for months most likely. For added information, they won't be alone at Christmas as other close family members will be there. We are a three hour drive away so not practical just to come for lunch.

Any thoughts please?

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 13/11/2016 17:02

I expect they do many things behind your back. Rather infantile. Treat them like you would children. Sounds like they have very poor boundaries. So you're going to have to make yours cast iron.

Leeds2 · 13/11/2016 18:29

Stay at home, and don't feel bad about it.

galaxygirl45 · 13/11/2016 18:39

If it helps at all, we always have christmas at home and relations come here - last year there was about 12 of us including very young children. Our 2 living at home are older teenagers and they retreated to their rooms on a couple of occasions just because they wanted some space and quiet. To be honest, I'd have happily done the same!! I think kids should be happy on Christmas day, and whatever that means, I've been happy to do for them.

BigApple11 · 14/11/2016 07:51

Stay home OP, and have a wonderful Christmas. Your DD will love you for it. Flowers for you.

BiddyPop · 14/11/2016 09:49

I apologise for not coming back to this yesterday. Life got in the way.

It sounds like you have made your decision, and you are happy and it's a good one. You've listened to your DD and put her NEEDS ahead of your DPs feelings - well done. And your DD will feel supported and listened to, that her needs and feelings matter. That is soooo important.

For other visits, hopefully some of this can help.

We travel "down home" a reasonable amount. DD used to find it very stressful (and happily, now that her weekends are so busy with a couple of clubs, the numbers of weekends we can travel have reduced significantly).

She gets her own room, and almost always has that room. (When DFIL was ill last year, her room turned into the "sick room" with a hospital bed, even though DFIL only used it for 2 nights - it was kept in case he did come home again - DD had a camp bed in DPILs room for that period). #

She knows what's there - a small lamp is put up for her, and particular soft blankets over the duvet (DD sleeps between 2 fleeces at home and often pulls the softie in DMILs under the duvet). She brings her ipod with music, and earphones, from home, and a current book, and normally "Max" the star-covered build-a-bear for snuggles (who gets ignored at home but snuggled a lot while away). And she is allowed to go down to her room whenever she wants.

I don't bombard the itinerary with loads we "must" do - people to see, jobs to get done etc. I will have loads of things in my head that I'd like to accomplish, but I know I will get half of those done if I am lucky. I need to build in quiet time.

There are certain things we do everytime we visit - like a farmer's market that is held on Saturday mornings that we get a few things at (including DD having "second breakfast" of pepperoni pizza at 10am!).

We are also prepared to walk away with DD if need be, and give her quiet time by going for a walk or a drive.

At Christmas, we rent a cottage separate to the family homes - there is probably room to squeeze us in, but more squished than normal and both our houses are a lot more manic, so we need a quieter place to retreat to on occasion - DD will just about manage Christmas Day itself as she knows she will get back to the cottage and have a calm, quiet morning on her birthday. Last year, as there are so few cottages and w were late booking (and DMIL was still so upset that we dropped looking very quickly) - we ended up in DMIL's house, in very bad weather that meant no escaping, and DD had a very tough time. We ended up almost cancelling another 2 night trip, but cut it to a single night instead, that we always do on New Years', because of how bad Christmas itself was for DD.

The other thing is that on Christmas Day, we need to drive from 1 house after turkey lunch to the 2nd house for more presents and turkey dinner in the afternoon. We always take that chance for a SLOW drive, sometimes even going the "scenic route", to give all of us but mostly DD some peace and quiet time.

We used to always bring specific food with us - like a tin of spaghetii hoops etc - that we knew DD would eat. She can get fussy when over-stressed. She will eat reasonably well, but sometimes either needs to get fed and let slip away to bed/quiet time, or gets starving and there is no sign of the planned meals materializing, or she gets to a stage where she needs something she can control and that will be food (so even foods she would often accept, like Granny's soup, would not be allowed she MUST have the tin of spaghetti or whatever). It might be literally as simple as a tin of spaghetti - but it's easy to prepare and eat, and she knows it will be there if she does need it. There generally is a tin in both houses anyway, but for a while, it was important that we had one in our bags so it was definitely there if needed (lots of times it wasn't needed - but knowing it was there was important to DD). She's got better over the past couple of years at expressing herself in general so this is not so important now - but it wasn't about the spaghetti itself, it was as much about knowing that something she could control, and also that she had something that could solve part of the problem if she needed it to.

I am also always happy for DD to come and be involved with my chats rather than "off you go and play" - she's an only DC and the eldest DGC, and often was the only DC on 1 side (other DGCs live abroad) and not as interested in running and screeching as others could be. My DPs were not as keen to have her always around but have slowly realized that she will head off when she is comfortable. There is a big party we go to on our street - 1 set of neighbours invites the street and their expat friends so its chaotic, full of DCs having fun, music, noise, ....everything DD hated. The first year we went, she stayed on my knee the whole time nearly, not even playing with her BFF, but talked a bit with the adults, ate her way through the meal and then really impressed the French friends by devouring the cheeseboard, eventually slid off to play for a few minutes with the other DCs as they were getting a bit tired and slowing down - but did need to go home a little earlier than others. At this stage, and she knows everyone, she sticks like glue to me for about 10 minutes, then heads off to play but comes back a lot, and everyone there has always been happy to have her part of the adult group at the table when she slinks in for 5 minutes (sits on my knee or now often stands beside me having draped my hand around her shoulder, sneaks a few bits off my plate, has a small chat with the adults, and then heads off again once reassured).

In my DPs house, she is expected to get on with being a DC and not be "babied" at the table like that. She doesn't look to sit on my knee there, but does come over looking for a long hug. It's not attention seeking, as DM seems to think, its a need for reassurance. And when she gets that, she will often head off again and get involved with her own entertainment/other DCs if there/other DAunts and DUncles rather than sticking to me like glue. So its important that I pay attention to DD's cues, rather than pandering to DM thinking I am babying her (DD is almost 11) - when I used to listen to DM and push her away, we'd end up with proper meltdowns and DD getting a lot more "clingy".

Sorry, that may be a slightly confused post, but I hope it is a bit helpful - I am trying to give things that help me and DD, and also say well done to you, and especially your DD for expressing her feelings - THAT is SUCH a big step.

Nanny0gg · 14/11/2016 10:51

See, if she were my DGD, there would be a room with things she has chosen that help her and a big bouncy ball that stays at Nanny's house for her. It's no big deal getting the 'right' butter and putting a few apples in the fridge. I pander cater for all my DGC to a degree anyway. It's automatic to have food/drink they like.

I'm glad you're staying at home.

MsGameandWatch · 14/11/2016 14:26

Nannyogg this is what I think. How hard can it be to get the right butter? My mum never says anything but she has this way of letting you know with her body language - swift, impatient movements, very still facial expression. This thread is really making me think about how I know my Mum is annoyed when she's saying all the right things. They'd never get any piece of equipment that was bulky or inconvenient in any way, not even a £7.99 gym ball, which could make all the difference.

Dd was brilliant this weekend, even her brother (not her biggest fan 😉) said she'd been great and he couldn't understand why grandad had shouted at her the moment something went wrong.

Biddy your post was very helpful, thanks so much. I definitely relate to the long, long hugs where she is obviously seeking reassurance and probably some sensory input too. There were people trooping in and out all weekend and I should have put a stop to that but she did seem to be managing well and my parents would huff and puff and be impatient. I should have known we would pay for it later or rather poor dd would 😥 My parents are people who absolutely cannot stand to asked not to do something and I think they really struggle with me having veto over something hence the over feeding of my dog. They also told me he needed keeping an eye on as he was supposedly very vicious with another dog when he was taken out by my Dad. And yet he has never been like that with me and was socialising beautifully on his morning walk today. It's as though they can't stand to let me have the final say on anything even my own children and dog Confused .

I think I have got much bigger problems than Christmas.

OP posts:
Aeroflotgirl · 14/11/2016 14:31

Op you need to start being assertive to them, especially when it involves your dd well being and needs. I know what a bugger ASD is, dd is 9 and has a restricted diet, and the wrong type of BBQ sauce means that she wont eat the little she does eat. Its not a question of staying in a hotel, or for a night. Children with ASD want their room with their bed and so on. Your dd wants her gym ball which is important for her to be able to self regulate, but your parents wont allow it. That alone would be enough for me to say noway! Let alone the other things.

DudeWheresMyVulva · 14/11/2016 14:36

Your child comes first. Your parents need to grow the fuck up and not be indulged, sulky and whiny. I am so sorry you are facing that from them. Thanks

Let your parents sulk and give you the silent treatment. Your first and only responsibility in this case is with your DD.

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