AIBU to think I should get the puppy?

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We have a tri-colour beagle who is 6 months. I ideally would like to get another puppy and have been looking at the sweetest baby Cavapoo puppy. We went to a kennel the first time we bought our boy and have gone back to ask about the puppy. We chose the Cavapoo and have been in motions to buy it, signing paperwork and putting a deposit down. She has met our daughters and they talk about her constantly! But, I went to the breeders today to give her the rest of the money and she said that she wasn't going to sell her to me anymore because her niece wanted her! I said that we'd payed and she just refused to let me give her the money and buy our puppy. I can't tell my girls that we can't have the puppy anymore, they'll be devastated! I want my dog!

How does the vet know it isn't a puppy farm?

Because he's been there loads!

FFS, Alice, i'm not an idiot and it's not a fucking puppy farm.
It's a working farm, with eight dogs, four working dogs, one got pregnant, they sold the puppies. Two beagles (boy and girl), one got pregnant, they sold the puppies. A Cavalier and a Poodle, poodle got pregnant, they sold the puppies.
They don't breed on purpose, it happens then they sell them.

'They dont breed on purpose'

They know what causes it, right????????

Jeez, anyone keeping unneutered animals together is either a byb/puppy farm, or an idiot. Even if they were stupid enough to let it happen once, wouldn't you think they'd then get the others sorted?

They're back yard breeders OP. They're keeping unneutered dogs to make money from the pups. You're a fool if you think those dogs are just pets who "oops" got pregnant.

Fwiw, your vet isn't making a lot of money out of that farm,of course they aren't going to bad mouth the place!

is making a lot of money! Not isn't.

I personally would check kennel club for reputable breeders if you want a pedigree pup.

I know a friend who had 2 dogs from puppy farms they both died young from diseases not as young as some but they weren't well really.

3 breeds and they all got pregnant?? Coincidence much.

My cat is a half Siamese he was born because owner's DP had a moggy who stayed with them and got the Siamese pregnant. Owner was furious as cat's first litter and she wanted pure Siamese.

Oh dear. Funny that it was the two beagles, two collies and the two cavapoo breeds that ended up as mum and dad. Oops!

I also think it's perfectly possible to have beagles and sheepdogs and other dogs and for it also to be a puppy farm. The beagles and sheepdogs are most likely to be working dogs the rest will be "pets" or for breeding.

You have to be a bit thick if you go down OP's naive route of thinking....

My lab as a child she was from a working gundog sire not sure re bitch but family house, breeders and oast house in Kent. She did have slight hip dsyplacia but was good breeding otherwise.

My mum's afghan hound pup was brought either from Russia or USA 1960s. Impeccable breeding so much so an American stopped my mum in a park with Kafka one day and asked "is that a Shirkan of grandeur?" Mum said yes. His great great grandpa was a USA kennel club top winner! Preen!

Neutering is a thing, you know.

Ddog comes from a bad breeder - kennel club registered, show dogs, etc - but we never did the right steps. We got her from a pet shop without meeting the parents, honestly, we did everything wrong.

She is an absolute sweetheart, and there isn't a day I am thankful by how things turned out. Never chewed anything, + meets all the the breed's description. But we were SO lucky to get her, because after, two of our distant families got similar breeds from street sellers. One, IMO, should be PTSed, having attacked family multiple times. The other is just a little silly, but a nice family dog.

Don't take that chance. If little Rowan is healthy, be thankful for your luck. Get your deposit back, if you can (don't be surprised if you signed something that said "non-refundable" in fine print). Look for a dog from a reputable breeder.

"They don't breed on purpose" - yet they keep un-neutered dogs of the opposite sex together on their farm and then sell the puppies that magically result?

FFS, Alice, i'm not an idiot and it's not a fucking puppy farm.
It's a working farm, with eight dogs, four working dogs, one got pregnant, they sold the puppies. Two beagles (boy and girl), one got pregnant, they sold the puppies. A Cavalier and a Poodle, poodle got pregnant, they sold the puppies.
They don't breed on purpose, it happens then they sell them

One question OP. What sort of work do Beagles, Cavaliers and Poodles do on a working farm??

I gave you the benefit of the doubt earlier but you are actually sounding like a bit of an idiot now, OP.

Of course it's a fucking puppy farm. Can't believe the insistence that it is not!

Two beagles (boy and girl), one got pregnant, they sold the puppies. A Cavalier and a Poodle, poodle got pregnant, they sold the puppies.

Amazing coincidence that these accidental matings are producing either pedigrees or highly desirable crosses........

They don't breed on purpose, it happens then they sell them.

Bollocks. I dabble in showing and I know loads of people who own multiple entire dogs of both sexes. Not a single one of them has ever had an accidental mating. It's really not rocket science to keep them apart when a bitch is in season. Plus, you said earlier they're licensed by the council which would be a bit odd if they're not planning on breeding.........

The "accidental litter" routine is often employed by shitty breeders as a handy get out clause for avoiding health testing or any of the other stuff that responsible breeders do long before any mating ever takes place.

If you want a puppy then either find a decent breeder (there's a good guide on how to do this here) or look into adopting one from a reputable rescue.

You think they accidentally breed magically matching puppies and claim you aren't An idiot?! FFS!!! They are having litters with startling regularity considering they 'aren't doing it on purpose', don't you think...?! And if it's all a big accident why the fuck would they need a breeding license?

It's a PUPPY FARM. If you actually went to your vet, and aren't just saying that to try and appease us, then your vet is either taking backhanders from them or is even stupider than you are. Find a new vet. Wise up. And don't get another dog if you can't do so responsibly.

fluffy if it's a farm if they hunt then beagles are used for hunting aren't they and of course the sheepdogs for herding sheep. Others just pet dogs.

not breeding on purpose?!

Sounds like a puppy farm to me OP, but at the very least they sound like idiots!

Most good breeders choose one breed and only breed proven dogs. By that I mean proven in showing or the line of work that they are bred to do (For example a good sheepdog or working lab)

Be careful about buying from someone who hasn't a clue, my poor dog was an accidental on purpose mating to make money and she's a disaster in every way!

I do titter at these Heinz 57 dogs with made up put together names

kilmuir I think the only way the crossbreeds work is if they're both from good pedigrees and certainly not from puppy farms but from reputable breeders.

My friend got a mini dachshund jack Russell cross from a breeder (God knows what you'd call him!) but they had all papers and it wasn't a puppy farm, they were going to do 3 or 4 litters from the dachshund dam and that was it. They had already bred the dachshund dam with a dachshund sire about twice and she was only going to be allowed a litter or two more with the jack Russell sire.

She also has a mini pin but that was from a breeder and no cross bred. She is doing (the mini pin) surprisingly well for her age (7 or 8 I think now) but she isn't babied.

Saw chihuahua being carried the other day in a handbag in Hammersmith King Street and wanted to scream at its woman owner "let your dog walk it has legs you know!"

Awful for you though

wanders in

Oh the OP is still being an entitled clueless twat who refuses to see the evidence in front of their eyes.

Wanders out

If they are breeding 'accidentally' OP, it's not the way they should be doing it really. Pedigree breeds a bit fucked and to breed responsibly now is to be part of a huge damage control or restoration project - it involves DNA testing and scanning and you really have to be seeking a dog specifically to breed with it and choosing a mate specifically for that dog - you almost certainly will not just happen to have the appropriate pair on your property, and not twice. It also sounds like they are letting it happen a bit more often than is perhaps good for the bitches in question.

The working dogs, I don't think anyone is qualified to pronounce on. If they work dogs, they may know their trade. The fact that they have two other litters doesn't indicate their working pups are useless.

FWIW, your account didn't scream 'puppy farm' to me - it sounded more like an irresponsible dog owner than the kind of repetitive breeding and abusive surroundings that would fit that term. I very much doubt that the vet would have said an establishment wasn't a puppy farm if he believed it was - vets usually care a great deal about animals and are not keen to see sickly animals being produced.

If you asked him whether he though the owners should get their dogs neutered, his response might ahve been different.