To think 4 people can't fit in 2 bed house

[BananaCakePie]

The title explains it all really.

Teenage son in one room,mother,grandmother and teenage daughter sharing a room.

Not if it's ancillary
Can you elaborate on exactly what you mean there please?

Teenage son in one room,mother,grandmother and teenage daughter sharing a room.

Not entitled to any housing benefits

That sounds an unusual situation. Why is the gran living with them? Can she not be housed alone elsewhere? Presumably she is past retirement age, as you make it sound as though only your SIL is contributing towards the rent, so surely Gran is either entitled to HB by herself or if she has a private pension then she can contribute towards the rent?

oh ok I can see my questions have been answered further along the thread

Even if your SIL is claiming everything she's entitled to I'm wondering if the gran might not be. £150pw is quite low, she might be entitled to more than that. If she got housing benefit that might enable them to stay in the 3-bed.

wondered how long it would be before this became 100% the fault of the landlord...

graphista there are also no dodgy tenants. No drug dealers, subletters, wreckers, non-payers etc etc.

MN obvious oversensitivity disclaimer - this in no way relates to the OP.

Special I'm well aware that there are dodgy tenants too. My post was in response to another poster saying landlord wouldn't allow as it would be illegal/unacceptable. I certainly wasn't saying ALL landlords are dodgy.

OP, I offer my condolences on the loss of your brother and think it is just lovely of you to offer your SIL and niece/nephew your help and support at this terrible, terrible time. What a sad situation for everyone.

There have been very helpful suggestions on here, but also others that were somewhat insensitive. Some posters did not seem to understand how little help there is out there in the present day. I have nothing really to add, except again to say what a lovely SIL/aunt you are, and really hope the situation can be sorted for everyone's sake. Good luck to you all.

Thank you leopard I try my best.

Thank you to everyone who has posted helpful information,I will be with SIL tomorrow and hopefully help her sort something out.

No need for fancy room dividers. Put wardrobes down centre of room, one facing out to each side of the room. Storage and room divided in one go.

Banana - I totally agree with all who commented that you are doing such a lot to help your niece, nephew and their mum and even their gran. You are helping financially and by being there to talk over Sil's problems which are exacerbated by the fact that her own family have relinquished old Granny into Sil's care.
It is in situations like this I think there should be something similar to Child Support Agency to ensure that all the adult children help with the care of the elderly either with effort or finance. Quite a few people I know in RL have looked after the old people and been left to do it alone no matter how many adult children there are.
I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread. It may be that the best course of action for Sil would be to move to a much cheaper housing area and therefore be in a position to rent a larger house.
A benefits check would be another idea.
Gran could perhaps get PIP or some other illness benefit.
You are doing so well to help out.

I'm fuming. SIL suggested someone else took care of gran and siblings are telling her to put her kids in care if she's struggling. Completey useless advice from them and they've said it infornt of the DC.

For those suggesting a move to a cheaper area - kids are 14, starting on GCSE courses and have already experienced a huge amount of disruption recently. Probably not a good time for them to be changing school and loosing friends on top of all that.

That's awful banana. For her own sake she is probably best to just cut contact with them all sadly.

Barbarian - when I suggested that as a possible I meant local area still. I know it varies from area to area but here in the secondary catchments particularly there is a range of values of properties. I certainly didn't mean moving miles away.

What a lovely sil you are and your poor sil having to go through all of that and looking after the gran (is that your mother?)
The gran gets £650 a month and you sil should be earning- minimum wage full time £14k a year plus £1700 child benefit for two children. Taking the grans money out of the equation- is your sil not entitled to housing benefit. Or at the very least child tax credits and working tax credits as she is under the threshold. She needs to look into this to make sure she's receiving the maximum amount she can. This is why the system is here- to help people like your sil

Ahhh just saw - it's her mum. Sorry. That's awful. What a horrible family. She should cut contact

I am raging for you and your SIL, Banana.

Her siblings are beyond awful.

This sounds miserable. It also sounds bad for anyone's health with condensation from 4 people living in a small two bedroom place, cooking, washing etc. Def social services for granny and council appeal for the rest. Son doesn't need a bedroom of his own. Snoring granny is clearly a problem since SIL might be prepared to sleep with ma but needs her sleep.

Went and got advice with SIL. They are getting everything they are entitled to. SS said the whole process for sorting out somewhere for gran could take at least 18months minimum and SIL can't afford a private nursing home.

My neice is scared about the idea of sharing a room with her brother,even with dividing the room. They are due to move next week,they haven't even sorted out beds yet. so it looks like it's going to be 3 of them in one room and 1 in the other .

I would hate this. Not just the sleeping arrangements but that sounds like a small house for 4peoples things. I'm in a three bed so my boy and girl have a room each but I still crave a spare room for extra space.

When I was growing up there was once 9 of us in a three bed house. And we coped. So of course it's possible but totally not ideal.

Well your mum's siblings are utter twats! They did not really say that, did they? As if you can just "put your children in care" voluntarily.

They are awful,3of her siblings came over early this morning to pick up some of their belongings they had so SIL can prepare to move. Neice was in tears,she felt so unwanted by the family .

This is going to sound awful, but often the only way to force the hand of the council/social services is to refuse to have grandma living with them.

It does not take 18 months to house an elderly person in need of care. It might if they are waiting for a nice little retirement flat, but not if they actually require a home. And daughter is not responsible for paying for care - the mum gets assessed for any contribution. Realistically, is her mum going to be able to manage on her own in a little flat? Or does she need a care home/supported living?

Also, her siblings are a bunch of pricks. I understand that they might not be able to look after their mum, but it's unbelievably shitty behaviour to wash their hands of the whole situation and to suggest putting her kids in care.