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AIBU to think ExH is BU?

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user1475501383 · 27/10/2016 00:39

ExH's circus of child arrangement proceedings came to town again today... He filed papers for domestic abuse. (So did I by the way)

AIBU in thinking these are stupid reasons for not allowing proper contact with my DS?

*A few times over the years I put DS to bed in daytime clothes
*A few times 2 years ago I gave 'inappropriate school lunch' for DS (porridge with grated apple)
*my sanitary bin sometimes 'overflows' with sanitary towels because it doesn't have a lid (yes, XH took pictures of this for the social services and court)
*once I left broken glass in the bath for 2 weeks because the bathroom light broke - NB at this point XH was not allowing me proper contact with DS anyway and I personally don't take baths, only showers
*apparently I told DS that if I don't see him anymore I'll move to France (a flippant comment made re English weather)

*&oh and apparently I used to 'pull funny faces at XH and say things in a childlike manner like having a tantrum and point my finger in his face as if trying to antagonise a reaction'

anyway, I'm the worst mum in the world in the eyes of XH and deserve no more than minimal contact with DS according to XH's statements to court...

AIBU in thinking he's the one being unreasonable here? (There are some slightly more severe allegations too but they're IMO so clearly manipulated / outright lies that I'm not mentioning them here, it's more this kind of petty stuff that is sort-of-true that XH feels is crucial for the Judge to hear and that he keeps listing ad infinitum whenever he gets the opportunity)

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Lunar1 · 27/10/2016 06:53

I missed that, did you make a flippant comment about not seeing him again to your son?

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CPtart · 27/10/2016 06:59

How on earth did you send porridge as a school lunch? It would be cold and congealed surely? Interesting too, that you say the school mums side with him. Why would that be?

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Bubblegum18 · 27/10/2016 07:09

I think op you are getting upset because deep down you know you've made mistakes and now they are being used against you, I get that but I do think you need take some of the constructive advice given here and best place into how you parent now.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 27/10/2016 07:12

The responses you've had here are as nothing compared to what a judge/many social workers would say! I too am thinking if anything you've likely minimised the real state of your home and approach to safety. Instead of going on the defensive with us address the situation. You want your son to live with you? LEARN what you need to

Exactly.

You are minimising what is going on.

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butterfliesandzebras · 27/10/2016 07:15

But for someone who claims to have Asperger's you are very good at being extremely sarcastic which from what I know they are pretty much uncapable of.

Then 'what you know' is completely inaccurate, just for the record.

As for the OP, I have an unlidded bathroom bin, which sanitary products go in - wrapped - and do not smell or 'attract flies' in the couple of days they are in there. Letting it get to 'overflowing' is a bit grim and poor housekeeping, but I wouldn't say it makes an unfit parent.

If the child wasn't around with the broken glass (as you initially seemed to say) then I don't see a big problem (again, it's poor housekeeping, not poor parenting). If the child was its a safety issue, and you need to make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen.

The France comment could be entirely innocent or horrible - no way to know unless we were there.

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tonsiltennis · 27/10/2016 07:15

I don't think you're a terrible mother, but it certainly sounds like you need a lot of support at the moment.

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HappyJanuary · 27/10/2016 07:41

Op, the things you mention would not be a cause for concern if they were isolated incidents but they don't seem to be.

Rather, they are part of a pattern of behaviour and indicative of some worrying viewpoints.

You dismiss the sanitary bin issue but it suggests you don't notice dirty or unhygienic situations.

You dismiss the glass issue but it suggests you're unaware of the fact that children behave unpredictability and that your whole home needs to be safe.

You dismiss the porridge issue but I teach and would be appalled if a child was given cold porridge for lunch, surely it would be cold and inedible.

The fact that you seem incapable of considering that you need to make big changes - if you want your son back, if you want him to live in a healthy happy home - is worrying, you seem so defensive and focused on batting away all allegations.

I hope this doesn't come across as bullying or uncaring, but you are giving complete strangers (who have only heard your version of events) the impression that your son is better off elsewhere. My advice would be to stop saying 'there isn't a problem' and start saying 'there are some problems, how can I sort them out'.

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Sweets101 · 27/10/2016 08:22

Has nobody on this thread ever heard of Birchers Muesli? The stuffs everywhere.

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BillSykesDog · 27/10/2016 08:28

Er, maybe if the OP had given him Bircher muesli that might be relevant. But she gave him cold porridge, not Bircher muesli. Plus even if it had been Bircher muesli that is not appropriate for a main lunch meal at school.

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exLtEveDallas · 27/10/2016 08:31

I have a lidded bathroom bin, and all sanitary products go into nappy sacks first. The bin is emptied daily, full or not. I would be very unhappy going to someone's house to find open/unwrapped sanitary products. Obviously your H feels the same way.

I can imagine leaving broken glass overnight if it was too dark to see it, but not any longer. That should have been cleared up straight away the following morning.

Cold porridge for lunch? I just can't imagine it, and yes I would question that - maybe the school bought it up with him. It would certainly be questioned at DDs school (as were the left over pizza slices, the pack full of chocolate bars and the cold scrambled egg - all of which had reasons behind them but were still raised as safeguarding concerns)

People are not bullying you here, but you do need to listen to what they are saying and take note, not argue that you are correct. If you act like that at a residence hearing your counter arguements will not be taken well.

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steff13 · 27/10/2016 08:37

OP, if you're still reading I hope you are taking some of the opinions being offered on board. People really are just trying to help. And please do not be as obstinate with the judge/legal guardian as you have been with people on this thread.

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LottieL · 27/10/2016 08:50

I think I can understand why you are struggling with the tone of this thread.
I've read your other thread on the 'Relationships' board where you presented yourself differently.

On the other board you explained the situation focusing mainly upon the physical and emotional abuse that you suffered at the hands of your EXH, and obviously you were sympathised with and offered advice on that basis. Whether you meant to or not you presented a situation that saw a mother being taken away from her son by her manipulative, violent and volatile ex who had abused her, and continued to hold her son to the side because of her naivete in issues of law and the courts.

On this thread you expressed a number of concerning issues that your EXH has brought up as part of the case, and you only explained the abuse you've received once you started to get flak for things that you raised that concerned other posters which made it appear very disingenuous. Your sarcasm and defensiveness was also not conducive to taking on board the advice that some were offering and made you come across poorly. You felt you were under attack, I can understand it but it still doesn't look great.

To me the truth must lie in the middle somewhere between the two stories. I have no doubt that your EXH was abusive and that you struggled with a number of things he did, but I also believe that you may have displayed behaviors that were not appropriate too.

I think that you need to take a step back and look over all of this objectively - and if you are unable to, enlist someone you can trust to tell you the truth.

I have concerns for the abilities of both of you to parent your son currently but that is not to say things can't change. Seek help now in improving your outlook, maybe seek some advice in the legal aspects of your case and also try and understand where things may be going wrong for you (in terms of housekeeping, etc) so these can be improved, not just for your son but for you too.

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BillSykesDog · 27/10/2016 08:54

And please do not be as obstinate with the judge/legal guardian as you have been with people on this thread.

Very good advice. You're being told that some things in your parenting are not in your son's best interests. You're responding with reasons why you can't or shouldn't change based on what you want for yourself and an awful lot of self pity. To a judge that is going to look like you are incapable of putting your son's needs above your own. Rather than arguing about why these things are acceptable you would be better working out how to tackle and avoid these issues coming up again.

Some of the things (glass excepted) are acceptable as a one off if you are really caught in a bind. But what you're saying now is 'I think these things are acceptable so they will happen again'. You're being your own worst enemy here.

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Runningissimple · 27/10/2016 09:01

You sound very like my ex who just took me to court to try and impose a custody situation on me and the kids that was just ridiculous.

My solicitor has wondered whether he might be mildly autistic and he behaved very much like you are behaving on this thread throughout court proceedings. It really went badly for him.

You need a good solicitor, someone who understands asd and who you trust. You need some coaching on how to present yourself and you need to let their judgement override yours when dealing with court proceedings. It's a process where you are being judged as a human being and if you find reading people hard, you are quite disadvantaged.

On this thread you come across as arrogant and lacking in judgement. This is not a good look in court. If you want a decent contact arrangement with your son, stop defending leaving glass in the bathtub or giving him porridge for lunch and start saying what the court wants to hear.

I want my son to be happy.
I want my son to be able to have meaningful and close relationships with both of us.
I want an opportunity to build a close relationship with my son.

Don't deviate from this and acknowledge the mistakes you have made. Unless it's a lie, just say- "Yes, with hindsight that was a poor judgement. It won't happen again."

My ex made a series of incredibly poor judgements and it was his inability to recognise these that was the problem more than the actions themselves.

He was impossible to deal with and has destroyed his relationship with 2 of his kids. The court was very supportive of my position and he was poorly advised in the decision to take me to court.

It was not a pleasant process - he had an affair and then put me through a hellish divorce but I feel very sad for him and for how fragmented our family now is. It really didn't need to be so acrimonious.

He blames me for everything and feels that the outcome was very unjust but also fails to understand that he created the situation he is in by behaving so unreasonably.

For your own sake, please get some decent representation and listen to what they tell you Flowers

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graphista · 27/10/2016 09:08

Have to say I read the op's posts on the other thread too where she got a lot of sympathy and there were things she was saying there too that didn't add up. If I were one of the people asked to make a judgement on this situation I'd be thinking the son is better off with his father at least until the op addresses the issues and probably gets some parenting training.

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charlestonchaplin · 27/10/2016 09:12

They don't sound great and you need to make changes or get help perhaps if your life is generally chaotic, but I don't think they are reason enough to stop contact with a 9 year old, especially considering social services inaction in other, much worse situations. But Mumsnet AIBU is not the place to seek support especially if you don't start off painting a picture of depression and desperation.

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SheldonCRules · 27/10/2016 09:12

I can see his points, you come across as very lazy and unclean. It takes seconds to empty a bin, clean up glass or feed your properly.

How will you prove to the courts you are capable of child care when you can't even do a fe simple household tasks?

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Runningissimple · 27/10/2016 09:15

Also, echoing BillSykesDog - Family courts are all about putting the children's needs first. My ex thought that this was nonsense and pretty much said so.

He's capable of being a good parent but sometimes he has very poor judgement. One of the things the court is looking for is good judgement around children's needs. All of your husband's anecdotes are examples of poor judgement. Your defending of them makes it sound like your poor judgement is habitual rather than a one-off mistake.

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Sweets101 · 27/10/2016 09:30

Bircher muesli is oats made with grated apples served cold. So cold porridge with grated apples then!

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FeedMeAndTellMeImPretty · 27/10/2016 09:36

Sounds like you are getting a hard time here User. Flowers

FWIW I don't think YABU - my bathroom light fell down and smashed all over the bathroom floor the other week. I heard it fall (luckily in the daytime or it would have completely freaked me out!!) and when I popped up to see what had happened the phone rang, so I ran back downstairs and left it. DCs were at their dad's for a couple of days, so no urgency to clear it up. That night I went up to bed and remembered it was there, but as it was dark I knew I'd do a terrible job and probably be more dangerous with little tiny shards left around rather than noticeable chunks of glass so I left it until the next day. I can completely understand why you left it there until convenient to clear away if the bath is generally unused.

As for the bins, mine are emptied every 2 weeks when the cleaner comes. I do wrap sanitary products up in some tissue and the bin has never smelled bad, although it does have a lid. All these people who would put it outside straight away Confused wtf?! It's not toxic waste!! It's a bit of blood from a family member, not some potentially disease riddled stranger - it's no worse than putting the packaging from your meat in the kitchen bin. Or do you take that out every day too?

I don't get the wrath on here for anyone who doesn't do things the same way. OP, your DS is not at risk from a full (was it actually overflowing?) bin or some glass in a place that he had no reason to use.

It sounds like your X is still trying to control you, making you feel terrible. Some of the posters on here are doing the same. The things you mention are a long way from making you an unfit mother. Putting your child to bed in day time clothes - seriously!? I'd worry more about the bigger things he has stated.

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PaulineFowlersGrowler · 27/10/2016 09:36

I don't know if you are still reading OP, but if you are please don't feel that people are bullying you. Nobody is saying you are the worst parent in the world, none of us are perfect. I'm sure we've all let things slip in times of stress ( I know I have).
You need to take from this thread that the things you describe are not normal or acceptable in the eyes of most people, the courts and social services included. Rather than self flagellation, can you look at practical ways to address the points raised?
For example could you afford to hire a cleaner? If you could keep your flat safe,tidy and clean, a statement from your cleaner confirming this might help your case.

If there are questions about your ability to provide suitable packed lunches, you could offer to pay for hot dinners if it would reassure your ex.
If you could look at practical ways to address your Exs claims rather than being defensive I'm sure the courts will look favourably on you. Good luck Flowers

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BillSykesDog · 27/10/2016 09:37

Bircher muesli is raw oats soaked in milk with fruit. Not cooked porridge gone cold and congealed with a bit of apple on it.

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exLtEveDallas · 27/10/2016 09:39

it's no worse than putting the packaging from your meat in the kitchen bin. Or do you take that out every day too

Meat packaging is washed out before being put in the bin and yes, that bin is emptied daily as well. Blood attracts flies and flies leave maggots - better outside than in the house.

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Eatthecake · 27/10/2016 09:43

I think you need to really look at yourself and ask what is honestly best for your ds? Because form how your are on here he probably is better off wth his dad for now at least

Glass regardless of where it is, needs cleaning up if you have children in the house. It's a 5 minute job so wouldn't even take long

Yes it's ok to leave sanity towels wrapped in a bin, but not to the point of overflowing.

Cold porridge is not a suitable school lunch

*apparently I told DS that if I don't see him anymore I'll move to France (a flippant comment made re English weather) Who says something like that to there own child even in a "flippant" way? It is wrong to say to a child that you will move away, it's actually a very nasty thing to say. Children will remember things like that being said to them for a long time

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Sweets101 · 27/10/2016 09:43

Indeed Bill but as far as i'm aware OP hasn't specified either

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