Stand up to cancer and animal testing

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First of all, I'm genuinely sorry for anyone who has lost someone they love to cancer. But I've been watching this thing and feeling increasingly uncomfortable. Initially it was just that cancer is so incredibly difficult to treat even after all these many years of research that it just seemed so mawkish and pointless.

But then I realised where all these millions of pounds will ultimately be going - to fund research which will no doubt be on millions of defenceless innocent animals and for what? Haven't we been doing that for years already and where are we.

People die. All species die of any number of illnesses. Why do humans feel entitled to use other species so mercilessly in the vain hope of prolonging our own lives?

Anyway. Sorry, but I'm not contributing to the further mass genocide of creatures who in no way deserve to live and die solely for human benefit.

OP, it's ok to feel how you do. I remember when I felt the same. And I think that my animal activism days have made a difference in the treatment and interpretation of results of animal testing since then.

But if my DS or DM was at risk. I would sacrifice a million animals a million times over. Now.

So withold. Campaign. Petition. I hope we help all in the end. You don't see animal lives as disposable. That's not a bad thing.

I haven't lost anyone close to cancer (yet) but I'm definitely ok with animal testing. In fact I think I would also be ok with medical testing on the worst kinds of criminals (child rapists/murderers eg Australian Peter Scully). I know this is controversial but there you go!

Of course we all have to die of something but I think most of us would rather live a healthy life until we're in our 80s/90s then slip away peacefully in our sleep rather than be diagnosed with incurable cancer at 35/40 with young dependent children.

OP, have you ever taken a drug to help your health? Anti biotic? Paracetamol? Ibuprofen? Cough mixture?

Is everything you put in your body natural? Shampoo? Moisturiser? Make up?

Have you ever given your teething children anything to ease their pain?

I love animals, but I love science too. But I think your post is the most ignorant, self centred thing I've read here for a long time.

May life threatening illnesses never cross your door

Do you need to take any medication OP? If you break your leg tomorrow I suppose you'll refuse all pain relief?

Your post is hugely insensitive. There are people on this forum whose children have died of cancer (not to mention most others who have lost someone else).

Surely OP is a troll!? Nobody is THAT stupid to relate cancer treatments to animal testing!?
In case you're not a troll OP you do realise that all drugs are tested first in animals, then in humans!? So essentially if you ever take anything like
Antibiotics, paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin ..... the list is endless, it's all been tested on animals ..... as have ingredients in your toiletries on your shelves at home, make up, cleaning products .... alcohol, drugs ..... the list is endless
So why pick on such an emotive subject like
Cancer!?

OP seems to have more empathy for animals than people. I feel sorry for her.

I'd see every animal in the land dead if it would bring my mum back. I'm in remission at the moment, thanks to research on animals.

I'm vegetarian who moves snails off paths so they don't get squashed and am very against animal testing for cosmetics and the like. I have no issues whatsoever with testing medicines and cures for cancer on animals, and quite frankly am grateful we live in a time with so much medical knowledge and so many drugs and treatments. It's one of those things where it's for the greater good!

mawkish and pointless ???

What an utterly horrendous post. Really rather glad the OP hasn't bothered to come back to defend their hypocrisy, I'm not sure I'd want to read anything more from such a vile person.

Of course if it turns out that they don't eat meat, palm oil, dairy/wear wool,leather,silk/use any medicine, cosmetic products/drink beer etc then I'll eat my hat.

It's a legal requirement for all drugs to be tested on animals before moving onto human trials. All drugs. Not just cancer drugs.

Every medicine you or your family take has been tested on animals at some point. Every new medicine you or your family take in the future will have been tested on animals. Not just for cancer. For any illness. If you take any modern medicine, for any condition, or give any to your children, you're just as guilty of using animals to prolong life as the rest of us are.

You clearly find this an unpleasant thought. But there isn't any way around it.

OP you will of course be refusing all treatment if you or loved ones get cancer?

What a stupid, ill conceived post.

Why do people have to be so nasty and aggressive on here? Why can't you debate without vitriol?

Don't think that you are the only ones whose lives have been touched by cancer either.

I don't have a problem with it either. These drugs are also used in veterinary medicine and there wouldn't be research into that if it weren't for the funding of human medicine.

We also 'test' things on human beings as animals aren't ideal and so things found to have potential go into phase 1 trials which don't usually benefit the individual (but may do). I appreciate that these humans get a choice in the matter though.

Perhaps people who think like the OP can be used for initial drug testing if they would prefer that?

You obviously aren't a scientist or in any way know one or you'd be aware that there's a Fuckton of research thats time consuming and expensive that goes prior to getting near animal testing. Try googling: cancer cell culture, dna extraction, pcr, Sanger seq, digital pcr, transformation and ngs.

Oh and paying for people to dedicate themselves to using those and other molecular and immunology techniques to try to find treatments.

And not just treatments since a massive chunk is better diagnostic methods that are expensive to research (largely sequencing based), produce and then get into circulation.

Yanbu to not want to contribute to any charity. I have ones I refuse to regardless of how emotive adverts are. Yabu to decide it's because of the reasoning you have with no experience or evidence which is false.

Do you use any medicines since all will have been tested at some point due to regulations?

I'm not even sorry to say I would personally deliver a basket of puppies to cancer researchfor testing if one of my kids were ill and I thought it would make any difference to their chances of recovery.

And I'm not claiming animals aren't tested on of course treatments will be, but it is a long road to get there and a lot of money also goes to diagnostics as well.

Any medicine, be it for hunan or animal, will have been animal tested before human testing and release.

I hate animal testing. The fact some poor creature is harmed and killed for our needs. The fact that there are some people in the world who don't care, as they think people's lives have much more meaning than other animals (yet to see a good reason as to why).

However, the pharmaceutical companies have us by the short and curlies. We want to live, we have to take the medicine, they won't stop testing on animals or find other means as it's easy and convenient. It doesn't sit right with me though, not at all (and I have lost someone to cancer, along with other terrible diseases).

I'm actually with the OP. I appreciate humanity would not be where it is were it not for animal testing, but I still think it's deeply immoral.

If course if I had a choice of sacrificing an animal's life to save one of my loves ones I would, but that doesn't make it morally okay.

(Yes, I am a hypocrite and have undoubtedly used many, many things that have been animal tested, because I'm self-centred).

I grew up without a father because of cancer. He was 35.

I'll support all the testing in the world if it means someone doesn't have to. Fuck off OP.

THIS IS A GOADY FUCKER. Let's not be goaded please.

I'm a big animal lover. I'm against testing cosmetically completely. Medical testing I have no issue with.

My mam had cancer last year now thanks partly to animal testing she's in remission.

Your post is very insensitive a lot of mnetters have lost someone they love to cancer in some cases tragically their children.

I hope this thread hasn't upset anyone too much.

And op you should probably's apologise. Naivety (I hope) isn't a crime but it can upset a lot of people.

I couldn't care less if every fluffy kitten dies, as long as there are advances in medicine.
That said, I thought the SUFC programme was dreadful.

EdmundCleverClogs you do realise animal testing is governed by law through the regulators not through pharma companies don't you? Given the choice they'd rather their hands weren't so tied I'm sure.

Given the cost as well I'm sure they could flood the market with more products without said regulation. Or at least the less ethical more substandard ones would. Which would risk public health. Thankfully the regulation stop that from happening.

Took me a while to realise that Konyaa, damn. That's half an hour wasted, thankfully multitasking by bathing though.