DH being U about baby in restaurant?

[StripedSwad]

We are on holiday with 3 month BF baby. There's a fancy restaurant on site which we are booked in to

we have his mother with us, who will babysit, but she would need to bring baby down to us if he needs to be fed. Restaurant has said no to this as is adults only.

DH thinks this is terrible and wants to complain as baby will only be down a short while and purely for feeding, whereas I think it's just one of those things you accept with a baby and we will just have to eat elsewhere. So who is right?

Of course you should be able to take your baby anywhere you are going. If you are breastfeeding a baby then you have the right to do that anywhere. There would presumably be no health or safety issues involved in a trip to the ballet.

No doubt the rustling of other people's sweet wrappers, their throat clearing, the bumping of fully grown knees against the back of your seat and the hideous perfume of many of your fellow poetry enthusiasts or ballet fans, etc, would impinge on your enjoyment of the entertainment, but as grown ups we learn to live and let live, right? We shrug and remind ourselves that life is short and that paying for a ticket at some venue doesn't entitle us to the sort of perfect little bubble we could achieve for ourselves if we stayed at home.

NNChange, weirdly enough, the vocab I used in that post you quoted was lifted out of someone else's post.

Kali, if you think I am a troll, be a dear and report.
If you want to engage with me on the topic then feel free to discuss the matter at hand, which is breastfeeding and women's right to do it wherever women go.

You are incorrect. You don't have the right to bf a baby anywhere. HTH

math do not be condescending and call me 'dear'

Munstermonchgirl you do not have the right to take a child everywhere, it just somehow always becomes about bf

Of course you should be able to take your baby anywhere you are going. *

You are incorrect.

As I have explained before I was heavily involved with the breastfeeding in public laws in Scotland.

There are many places that children are not allowed to be.

Casinos
Betting offices
Tattoo parlours
Many pubs
Clubs
Over 21 establishments

Are you suggesting that because you have a breastfeeding card that you can trump these rules?

'Health and safety issues aside' - is what I said too.

As I have pointed out before on this thread, a good few of you need to revisit whatever reading comprehension courses you did in school.

math, and all the other children, can they come to the ballet too? Loud rustling of crisp packets in an environment which is meant to be silent is annoying and I have been know to turn round and give a Paddington Hard Stare to repeat offenders. I would not take children to an environment which is meant to be silent and where there is no easy escape route if something means they are not silent. It's great that your children never fidget or talk or need the loo, congratulations on that. It's also fantastic that your baby remains silent before, during and after the bf process.

The ballet, the poetry reading and whatever other fun stuff was mentioned do not come under the category of casinos, many pubs, over 21 establishments, etc.

Have you ever been to a performance of The Nutcracker?

Children not only perform in it but they also attend the performances, and not just the matinees.

Come to think of it, all the ballets I have seen have had plenty of children in the audience. Many children do ballet themselves and they are interested in it, or their parents are interested in fostering their interest in it.

At 3 months I could easily go 2 hours between bf.
It does depend on the baby, however.
Personally, I never enjoyed bf in public and only did so if I had to.

" If you are breastfeeding a baby then you have the right to do that anywhere. "

Quoting a sentence as written by math. She is, obviously, incorrect.

But why let facts get in the way, eh?

Munstermonchgirl math clearly meant if it was safe, how dare you not realise that

math "Of course you should be able to take your baby anywhere you are going", I also asked about the other children, can they go anywhere, anytime? The 2yo at La Boheme and the 4yo at the lecture on wikiLeaks?

The ballet, the poetry reading and whatever other fun stuff was mentioned do not come under the category of casinos, many pubs, over 21 establishments, etc.

What H&S risks are there associated with taking a baby into a casino, Math? I'm intrigued now - it's been a while since I visited one, but the surroundings were not dissimilar to an up-market hotel.

If you think that breastfeeding babies should be permitted into casinos with their mothers, in order for their mothers not to be excluded, then what age would you consider a cut off? There are some mothers who breastfeed their schoolage children. Should those children be allowed into casinos?
And how would it be policed? Should breastfeeding mums have a license? How would you prevent bottlefed babies/children being taken in?

still looking for my missing penis

If casinos are included in the list of venues where babies are verboten, then I am sure there is a good reason that Mindtrope can explain. Maybe there is some danger. Maybe the powers that be in Scotland who crafted the legislation were concerned about the morals of babies? People here were concerned that babies might hear a bit of swearing, upthread, after all.

You would only need to police breastfeeding mothers and their children if you were some sort of insecure, misogynistic control freak who really, really needed to unclench, NNChangeAgain.

Any takers for The Nutcracker?

Unclench and breathe dear

No interest in discussion then?

Why so uptight about who gets to dine with you?

You would only need to police breastfeeding mothers and their children if you were some sort of insecure, misogynistic control freak

Or if, perhaps, we lived in a society in which mothers didn't all have the best interests of their DCs in mind when deciding how to arrange their own social life?
Are you not willing to consider the possibility that mothers would lie about their child's breastfeeding habits in order to satisfy their own social life - and by doing so, would expose their children (not babies, but preschool and school age) to environments that society has deemed unsuitable?

math if we extend your logic then children would be allowed anywhere as long as they are being breastfed.

So a four year old who is still being breastfed could attend a strip bar because that child's mother has the right to be there?

math can I just point out- I worked on the legislative steering committee in Scotland for 4 years which saw a new law giving rights for public breastfeeding.
Interestingly this law was not contained within equality legislation but within health and child's rights.
So it does not extend the rights of a woman to feed her child, but increases the rights of a child to be fed, wherever that child has the right to be. It is a criminal act to disturb, stop or challenge the act of a baby being fed milk ( breast or formula) in a place where that child has the right to be.

Considering that the proportion of four year olds who breastfeed is minuscule, and the proportion of mothers who breastfeed who might frequent strip bars is also infinitesimal, approximately how many four year olds would there be out there in the strip bars of Glasgow, ruining the ambiance on any given evening?

Your focus on strip bars is a little ironic considering what is on display there. It's apparently fine to use boobs to provide an income for a presumably sleazy male owner and to further the degradation of women by presenting them as sex objects, but not for their more important purpose.

Yeah, NNChangeAgaon, because mothers are a bunch of feckless liars who can't be trusted at all. Society needs to be constantly on its guard, lest some harm befall the children of these monsters.

math you fail to grasp my point. I use the example of a four yea old in a strip bar as an illustration. You seem to have failed to use this as a tool for discussion.