To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

[Bearbehind]

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

Surely this should be moved to the referendum board , it has as always been hijacked by the same few noisey remoaners

gingham
Really? Should be moved to the "Other Stuff"? so we could all go back to the corner pub in our good old Little England with peace of mind while the country and our children's future keeps getting screwed? Kindly don't click on it if you don't want to read. That's all you have to do.

Thanks for the advice. I have contributed to this thread and read all the posts in the eu ref 2016 board , all of which have become an echo chamber for about 5 posters, you included, to slag eveyone who voted leave off, you are not doing your cause any favours at all.

So why try to stifle debate now?

Or are we not allowed to challenge factually incorrect appeals to emotion?

Would help if you didn't lie all the time smallfox

Brexit | Hard v Soft
Prime Minister Theresa May says she will trigger Article 50 by March 2017, beginning two years of negotiations over Britain's exit from the EU. Campaigners have already begun mapping out two possible options:
Hard Brexit
Making independent trade deals
Losing full access to the single market
Full control over immigration from the EU
Applying new rules within the UK's own territory
Reverting to World Trade Organisation rules
Soft Brexit
Remaining close to the existing arrangements with the EU
Not subjecting Britain's exports to border checks
Accepting "four freedoms": movement of goods, services, capital and people
Continued free access for EU nationals to live and work in the UK and membership of the European Economic

Those who voted Brexit (The majority of the UK - no matter how you look at it) did not vote to Brexit because they want open borders or because they want to remain within the single market. Or because they want the UK to be dictated to, and governed, by Brussels. There is good reason for this. Read up - there is plenty of info on the internet - and get over it!

So the Scottish don't know what their voting for?

Oh and BTW you haven't rebutted my "lies" from the other day, because you know the treasury document evidencing the truth of the matter utterly rebutted your accusation.

The Scottish would know what they were voting against in a referendum which would be coming out of the EU.

It would help if you could actually intellectually defend your position Carol.

"Those who voted Brexit (The majority of the UK - no matter how you look at it) did not vote to Brexit because they want open borders or because they want to remain within the single market. "

You can't claim that because this wasn't on the ballot and many of the leave campaigners said we would have access to the single market. In fact Norway and Switzerland which do many of the things that you have highlighted were held up as examples of what we COULD have.

Get over it, there is no mandate for hard brexit because a slight majority voted for it.

Keep being noisy, remoaners.

Don't let substandard and ill informed rationales stop democratic debate.

Smallfox. You obviously have a crystal ball. We will leave the effects of Brexit to your superior knowledge. Regardless of your stance Britain will Brexit..... Thank God! There you go.

I'll keep being noisy, just like you brexshiteers were for years.

Keep posting hyperbolic untrue appeals to emotion.

I'll keep rebutting them.

Oh and I don't have a crystal ball, but it seems that even Brexit supporting Conservative MPs like Steve Phillips agree with me that there was no mandate for leaving the single market. He's QC don't you know?

Frankly who cares? You are obviously more educated than most Smallfox The best we can do is leave you to your grandoise

Ah the "shut up" argument again, just phrased differently.

Well played, well played.

What is the point of Leavers coming here to basically just taunt and use rhetoric? Why not stay silent and let us moan and groan till eternity? Why is it bothering you?
This is exactly what I suspect that they wanted to do:just divide the public and let them fight each other. We have a voice and believe we have a cause to:saving the future of our children. I am sure it is the main thing majority Leavers were thinking too:saving the future of our children. So let's see how it goes and when the economy goes tits up along with the xenophobia being legitimised and mainstreamed, the properties in foreign investors' hands and out of the reach of our children, let's then come back here and have a bun fight, shall we? Until then, please don't mind me. I would just lurk around here and groan when it hurts. That's my share in the democracy.

gardengeek
That was meant to be a joke. The "foreign" in there. i am every bit against what has happened here so far. In fact I belong to the generation who is suffering the consequences. My point was if the public was scared of foreigners before Brexit vote and voted Leave, they will be horrified to see what's coming after Brexit does happen. Locals won't have money to buy and new homes won't be built. Besides there just won't be enough jobs for getting a mortgage anyway. Why do you think half of our new sky scrapers are foreign owned Even when £ was all strong and healthy? Wonder what will happen once £ goes down this deep hill despite my tax money being used up brutally after Brexit vote? I don't think many brexiteers know how will Bank of England make the public pay back: more austerity. The kind that never hurts people like Farage and Johnson and May and her team.

*I'll keep being noisy, just like you brexshiteers were for years.

Keep posting hyperbolic untrue appeals to emotion.

I'll keep rebutting them.

Oh and I don't have a crystal ball, but it seems that even Brexit supporting Conservative MPs like Steve Phillips agree with me that there was no mandate for leaving the single market. He's QC don't you know*

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

*This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No*

Above is your OP. Above that is your response to two posters. So did you require a yes or no answer to your OP or do you require posters to open up their heart and soul when it is blatantly obvious you are stuck up your own backside and are not going to give the time of day to the opinion of others? In fact what was the real reason for your OP??

Its not my OP, the thread and the debate has moved on, my points you have listed above were in response to others that were posted.

Sorry that yet again your can't get your facts right.

" blatantly obvious you are stuck up your own backside and are not going to give the time of day to the opinion of others?"

Remove your head from your own sphincter and get the facts right. Its perfectly alright to rebut claims made, especially when they are counter factual and hyperbolic.

Yesterday and today Carol has called me a liar, yet when I linked to a treasury policy document which refuted her point she vanished yesterday. Another poster accused me of being misleading over our exemption from ever closer union, yet again when I was able to quote from the freely available agreement document, and show that it was enforceable and binding under international law, and explained the nuances of this, that poster disappeared.

Now you come and attempt your half arsed ad hominem attacks, and again get your facts wrong, but at the same time attack me for repudiating your arguments. Its called critical thinking and its use is fair and square in a debate.

I'm not intimidated by you, or anyone else here, do try harder to be a bit of a challenge though.

gardengeek
I have discussed on this thread before and on mumsnet right after Brexit vote that I do not like the idea of corrupt politicians/businessmen/oligarchs from other parts of the world to come and buy here. In this last post I have written clearly this kind of "investment" is going to sky rocket the price of property here. The use of the word "foreign" is meant to be sarcastic here. Just as I wrote some pages upthread that good that the immigrants are leaving and taking their expertise/money with them too.

So my meaning is that Brexit or Brexit, foreigners will come in one way or the other. One is good for us and they contribute far more than the two take (if we stay within EU). The other is selling the soul of this country to corrupts money from abroad who (post Brexit scenario).

God fluffy! smallfox ain't the OP!

Sorry for the spelling mistakes need to go to bed now o think.

Looking at the Brexit so called fixers my heart sinks. Johnson, Davis, Fox and co! What hope have we?
We may well reverse our decision to leave but by then the damage will be beyond a patch up job. To think this country has done it to ourselves! No wonder Farage left before the proverbial hit the fan.

happydays
yes. i have a feeling by then we will have lost many times the money we have sent to the EU so far. Not to mention the xenophobia and the loss of respect in the world. But hey ho! We will have our sovereignty back and the immigrants won't be coming here.