To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

[Bearbehind]

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

tiggy I keep pointing out that the result isn't legally binding. I only do that because there is a view that it has to be done regardless of consequence now it's been voted for.

On a lighter note I've just been to see Trolls. There's a line in there 'that's not a plan, that's a wish list'. I think that's where the government is now

Lol magik that could be the new counter to 'Brexit means Bexit'

Those who led the leave campaign were guilty of moral hazard. They got people to vote for something that would almost certainly against their best interest, and will.not be negatively effected themselves.

I am disappointed to see no one thinks I am right about elections. Mainly because the alternative given to me here is absolutely frightening. How in the world are we going to get out of this mess if no immediate elections?

valentine I don't agree there will be an election soon and I don't agree that, even if there was, the outcome would change anything which is why there won't be one sorry.

bear we should definitely start that. It'd be awesome!

valentine Corbyn said iin one interview at least that whilst his feelings on the eu were 'lukewarm' he didn't see any convincing arguments that leaving under current circumstances would be good for the UK so he backed reform from inside. Which totally explains why he didn't light the remain campaign up. May has probably made a mistake not calling a quick general election, far more likelihood of swing towards labour now I think, especially as these effects hit home.

a plan suggests knowing what you want and having the ability or possibility to follow a sequence of steps between your current position and your planned position to achieve your aim.

That does rather beg the question as to why the fuck you would vote for something when you had no idea how it might turn out doesn't it?

far more likelihood of swing towards labour now I think, especially as these effects hit home.

Very much doubt it with Corbyn in charge.

I agree piglet

I genuinely can't see the attraction to Corbyn. He seems to have regressed to, or more likely never progressed past, the last 30 years and his priorities are complete skewed.

Pathetic really as the Tories are fucking this up so royally (and I'm a life long Tory) that you wouldn't even have to be very good to get ahead in the polls as leader of the opposition ATM.

Don't under estimate the power of a protest vote. That's another one of the things that got us into this mess

I actually gained some respect for corbyn during the referendum campaign I was clearly alone because I quite liked how he refused to come down from his principles that the eu was flawed. A bit like I've got respect for Anna Soubry (probably keep spelling that wrong, sorry) for not giving a toss about party lines.

Possibly I have a hankering for a bit of honesty from someone who's meant to have power wishes she could bury head in sand more

"the pledge to honour the referendum result was included in the Conservative party manifesto."

So was remaining in the single market. Put the two together and you get Norway. Out of the EU as voted on, but still with single market access. That is if people are stating the fulfilment of the present government's manifesto is what people voted on in the last general election.

To honour both of the commitments in the Conservative manifesto, leave membership of the EU and have access to the single market more than likely requires compliance with the 4 freedoms. The special opt out from Schengen that the UK negotiated as a member of the EU will be gone with it's membership. The government has as much a mandate in it's manifesto to do what ever is required to retain access to the single market as honouring the leaving the EU vote. You can't capriciously argue that one pledge in their manifesto is a mandate and the other pledge in their manifesto isn't. There was no question put to the electorate in the referendum on the Conservatives disavowing their pledge to retain access to the single market outside of the EU, even if it required having to comply with the 4 freedom requirement.

This is what honouring the two pledges in the Conservative manifesto would probably require. There is no democratic mandate to alter that. Only a hypocrite would say one was a mandate and the other wasn't.

tiggy my point on this and countless other threads has always been, what made those people feel so strongly that leaving, no matter what, was the right decision.

As yet, not a single person has even come close to explaining that.

When someone tells me what tipped the balance to prove leaving was/ is worthwhile I'll shut up, but 4 months on, we're not even close.

magik I believe Corbyn refused to come down from his principles that the EU was flawed because he is still fighting battles from 30 years ago.

The man is an arse.

Any other leader of the opposition would have grabbed the bull by the horns and gained and incredible amount of momentum- what did Corbyn do- sit on the floor of a train to try on prove a point many years out of date and get caught out for lying thus fucking it up and looking a complete twat

I suspect people voting out on the principle that they want GB laws for example to only to be made in GB even if they don't actually object to may of the laws the EU "impose" on them would be incomprehensible to someone who strongly wishes to remain.

It would be incomprehensible because it's fucking ridiculous.

'I won't listen to the rules if you tell me them, but if someone I like tells me them then it's fine.'

Pathetic.

The benefits of the EU will become frighteningly apparent to those who think they haven't benefitted in years to come.

When lower tax takes mean all that lovely EU money vanishes. When businesses close and investment falls.

the first test is Sunderland.

And no one who says they voted for improved democracy has a leg to stand on right now.

'I won't listen to the rules if you tell me them, but if someone I like tells me them then it's fine.'

And in some cases - I'll listen if you say it in a British accent

I would have been far more convinced by leavers hating to be controlled by Brussels if occasionally they could throw in some eu laws that they really hated.

I might be very unlucky in the company I keep but I never met a leaver who actually could.