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To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

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Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 16:57

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 14:29

^^ Sorry- 'many' of the rest won't tell us

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TheElementsSong · 22/10/2016 14:30

If the EU was so great why did so many of us want to leave?

If the EU was so utterly horrific, why did almost the same number of us want to stay?

smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 14:32

Many also voted in protest at austerity and a feeling of disenfranchisement, there is also the votes like yours which were based on ignorance and fear of immigration.

Oh and if the EU was so bad why did so many people, the majoity of British business, the Universities, the NHS chiefs, charities, the trade unions etc etc want us to remain?

surferjet · 22/10/2016 14:32

Again, as I've said before, if half the country are racist bigots then we have a massive problem in this country & voting to stay in the EU would not have solved that.
Also, keeping the price or marmite down doesn't stop someone being racist.
You're all so naive.

smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 14:35

We're naive?

We didn't say half the country were racist, in fact I've said in my post upthread that there were many different reasons for voting leave, but few of them are justifiable on a cost benefit analysis.

I did say you were!

Keeping the price of energy down will be more important than marmite, keeping the average cost of a week's shopping will be more important. The cost of transport will be more important etc etc.

Naive, I'd say not. I'd say you were foolish.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 14:37

Well seeing as you've put yourself in the racist bigot category surfer don't you see that we actually do have a massive problem

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EleanorRigby123 · 22/10/2016 14:44

Nobody can be happy with where Brexit is heading, because nobody including May, Davis, Fox, Johnson, Juncker, Tusk et al has the first idea how this will pan out.

surferjet · 22/10/2016 14:44

Oh and if the EU was so bad why did so many people, the majoity of British business, the Universities, the NHS chiefs, charities, the trade unions etc etc want us to remain?

Because there was something in it for them.

The average person in the street thought differently.

smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 14:47

well 48% of the average people on the street agreed surfer.

A good chunk of the 52% didn't vote on the EU at all, they voted out of protest at austerity.

surferjet · 22/10/2016 14:48

Well seeing as you've put yourself in the racist bigot category surfer don't you see that we actually do have a massive problem

No, you've put me in that category.
Wanting to control immigration does not make someone racist, politicians of all parties have been saying that for years now. Keep up.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 14:54

surfer you have never explained why you think Eu immigration needs further controlling or what the other negatives of being in the EU are which is why you are in the racist category- you just seem to want to stop foreigners coming in.

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surferjet · 22/10/2016 14:54

Yes smallfox, 48% did agree, but 48% is less than 52% so leave won. That's how it works. You can't have a referendum & say the 'winner' has to win by a 10% margin beacatse that would probably never happen. I actually think leave won quite convincingly- if it had been 52 & 51% I'd understand your frustration.

smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 14:56

Leave did not win convincingly, and it did so by using very misleading arguments.

Even Farrage said that a small majoirty for leave would lead to him calling for another referendum. This can be debated and challenged. Especially when one side deliberately misled many of its voters.

surferjet · 22/10/2016 15:02

You know as well as I do, that DC would have told NF where to stick his calls for a second referendum.

Anyway, got to go.

YokoUhOh · 22/10/2016 15:03

52/48 is not convincing, it's almost as close as it gets. Half the population are unhappy with this decision; I would argue that the 48% are the half with a better handle on the potential consequences for the UK of leaving the EU. That's why we're horrified.

MagikarpetRide · 22/10/2016 15:09

The thing is we don't need another referendum. We need our mps to be able to do the job they're meant to do on our behalf and for that not to be stifled. Apparently we wanted sovereignty not dictatorship but that's where we're headed right now.

MagikarpetRide · 22/10/2016 15:11

If course I mean we in the broader sense , because well, it was always slightly obvious it would head down the overruling parliament route given the mp declarations

YokoUhOh · 22/10/2016 15:13

The British public have fundamentally misunderstood the concepts of sovereignty and democracy, though.

DH's racist, ignorant uncle thinks that sovereignty means 'getting my passport back'. Many leavers confuse democracy with populism.

It's an almighty mess.

MagikarpetRide · 22/10/2016 15:27

Sadly true yuko
They've also misunderstood that the referendum wasn't legally binding either in a lot of cases

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 16:54

if it had been 52 & 51% I'd understand your frustration.

I'd have wanted to know how how the result was split between 103%

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 16:56

Hold the headlines

surfer has yet again buggered off without explaining what the negatives of being in the EU are other than those pesky forriners.

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Prostolos13 · 22/10/2016 17:24

I am a bit concerned the way it is going, as it appears that no one knows what to do next and where to go from here.
At the same time there is so much going on around the world, that we might find ourselves in a "not to bad" situation.
With so much uncertainty in the world (America, Middle East, Russia and so on), so many potential changes in the pipeline, I am not sure if us staying in an EU would have been an advantage.
I suppose we just have to wait and see what happens when article 50 will be triggered.
It is painful however to see pound being hammered like this. Other than that I don't see any difference in my situation before and after the vote.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 17:29

Other than that I don't see any difference in my situation before and after the vote

That's probably because nothing has actually happened yet.

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caroldecker · 22/10/2016 17:33

Bear

The rest won't actually tell us the reasons so we're a bit stuck on that point.

I have told you my reasons, as have many others - you do not think them worth leaving, we do. There is no further beneficial discussion to be had on this because we both think we will end up in different places - you think things will be worse, I think they will be better as we will have more freedom to develop economic policy that suits the UK, not the whole of Europe. I also think political orthodoxy in the EU does not tie in with my preferences, so would like to move away from that.

Bitofacow · 22/10/2016 17:41

surfer "You can't have a referendum & say the 'winner' has to win by a 10% margin "

Yes you can. Lots of countries do. They clarify the rules and make sure their is a turnout threshold, and a % threshold.
It is testament to the incompetence and arrogance of the government that this was not done.

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