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To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

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Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 16:57

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 11:10

Oh good, you're back surfer

Are you going to tell us why you think further controlling immigration is worth all the negatives Brexit will bring?

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surferjet · 22/10/2016 11:18

Nothing negative in Brexit at all as far as I'm concerned.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 11:23

Ok then, why is the plunging pound, inflation, the potential loss of access to the Single Market, loss of passporting rights not negative in your opinion?

Why shouldn't people see these things as negatives?

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elfonshelf · 22/10/2016 11:25

Yes.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 11:31

elf, could you share the reasons why you're happy with hard Brexit to try and help us see what we have to look forward to.

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elfonshelf · 22/10/2016 11:33

Regarding the UK's voting system, we've only just had a referendum on that very issue with a resounding victory for the supporters of FPTP.

Given the huge amount of complaining across social media about our lack of PR in parliament, I can only assume that the AV referendum escaped the notice of the majority of voters in a way that the EU ref did not.

I can't see any chance of another referendum on electoral reform for some very considerable time - it only happened in the first place because we had a coalition government and the LDs insisted on it. No government that has power under FPTP is going to seek to weaken that.

smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 11:36

Don't ask surfer to justify her views Bear, you know the dark and sinister reasons she voted for brexit and she can't justify them.

elfonshelf · 22/10/2016 11:40

Happy to give a yes/no answer to a poll, but I spend most of my weekday hours involved with the subject and so avoid social media discussions. Sorry.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 11:42

I know why she voted Leave small but I want to hear why EU immigration affects her more than the pound dropping like a stone, food prices increasing, lack of business confidence etc.

I recall her DH is a rich city type so I guess it's very much 'I'm alright Jack' but I also recall her saying she voted 'for the greater good'

I'm very interested to hear what that is as 90% of people on this thread don't think Brexit is remotely 'good'.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 11:45

elf you're perfectly at liberty not to answer but it is incredibly frustrating that no one who says 'yes' can even begin to offer any reassurance to the 90% of people who are genuinely concerned.

The reasons given for not answering vary but the end result is the same.

If you genuinely believe Brexit is so fantastic why wouldn't you be shouting its merits from the rooftops?

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TheElementsSong · 22/10/2016 11:55

where I hated half the population

Seems to me it's the other half of the population who are full of hate - all the "Shut up, suck it up losers" and then the "Get lost foreigners" and the "Snake-like traitors deserve what's coming to them" and "Throw unpatriotic dissenters in the Tower".

And of course the "Fuck off elsewhere if you won't swallow the Kool-Aid with a big smile" but if you say you're actually thinking of leaving "You're a traitor who doesn't love your country enough".

FinderofNeedles · 22/10/2016 11:57

No x 100000000000000

winkywinkola · 22/10/2016 12:00

Yeah well we aren't fucking off anywhere and we will suck up nada. Keep moaning!

MagikarpetRide · 22/10/2016 12:03

I'm pretty sure there's a whole world of hatred across the voting split, though I'd rather hate something for what they did like fuck up our economy than something they can't help like who their parents are. To be fair don't hate all leave voters, just the racists and xenophobes. But I never liked them anyway so nothing much changed there Smile

caroldecker · 22/10/2016 12:20

Bear I note your conspicuous absence in the discussion on control of taxation policy up thread, and no further comments afterwards.
I would ask you why control over UK tax policy is not a reason to vote leave.

smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 12:26

Because the EU has harmonisation rules, it isn't about "control" over tax policy. We can set the rates of the majority of our taxes as we see fit.

The VAT issue is a bit of a misnomer, especially as the biggest issue you seem to come up with is the tampon tax, which the EU agreed we could abolish.

Fully autonomous control over a fairly minor area of fiscal policy is not a reason to trash the entire economy and jeopardise the future of public services.

KateInKorea · 22/10/2016 12:32

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Coulddowithanap · 22/10/2016 12:37

It hasn't really affected us yet. Had to pay a few more pounds per £100 for our euros but that wasn't a problem.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 13:03

carol you clearly missed the post where I said I can understand your concerns over wholesale integration to a certain extent but to me it's another example of something that wasn't ideal but was better than the alternative which is the shit storm we now find ourselves in.

What more do you want me to add?

I don't agree that we will gain full control over taxation and the little we might gain sure as hell isn't worth the price we will pay in other areas by leaving the EU.

I've said repeatedly on this and other threads that for me the vote was about weighing up options and whilst you might think taxation was a reason to vote leave it is not strong enough to outweigh the multitude of negatives that will go with it.

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pointythings · 22/10/2016 13:51

Elf you can't really use the referendum on FPTP as a comparison. PR was not on offer so it was a choice between a simple crap system and a very complex crap system.

surferjet · 22/10/2016 14:12

.I know why she voted Leave small but I want to hear why EU immigration affects her more than the pound dropping like a stone, food prices increasing, lack of business confidence etc

Because all the things you've mentioned happen all the time, have you never lived through a recession?
& 2p on can of beans means nothing to me.

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 14:19

So it was nothing more than 'I'm alright Jack' and the 'for the greater good' was actually bollocks.

Glad we got that sorted.

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smallfox2002 · 22/10/2016 14:24

Oh and your vote was because your xenophobic.

Good that we know where you are.

surferjet · 22/10/2016 14:25

It is for the greater good, having to put up with a temporary blip in the economy is nothing compared to the negatives being in the EU brings. & I'll repeat what I've said before, if the EU was so great why did so many of us want to leave?

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Bearbehind · 22/10/2016 14:28

I don't know why so many wanted to leave surfer

Many chose to do so because they are racist bigots.

Many chose to do so because they didn't fully understand the implications of thought we'd get £350m for the NHS etc.

The rest won't actually tell us the reasons so we're a bit stuck on that point.

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