To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

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This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

Disappointed that surfer has refused my request for insight into leaver reasoning :( Anyone else care to fill me in?

I had one friend whose reasons were:

• The TTIP (leading to rape and pillage of the NHS by the USA)
• The EU army
• Regaining sovereignty
• Ability to make our own laws
• Fishing quotas
• the usual unelected bureaucrats stuff

He was very vocal and a prolific facebook poster at the time. He seemed scared and voiced many conspiracy theories. I looked into all of his reasons, trying to keep an open mind but I could find nothing at all to back any of it up or to persuade me to his way of thinking.

He never once mentioned immigration btw.

I was listening to a R4 prog about the psychology of decision loyalty - it basically said that once you have decided on something it is almost impossible the alter your opinion. We become fact blind. Perhaps there really is no obvious answer to this question and we're all just stuck with our initial take on it? Just idle surmising, please don't attack me

I was listening to a R4 prog about the psychology of decision loyalty - it basically said that once you have decided on something it is almost impossible the alter your opinion. We become fact blind

and that's how religions start ...

Here's a link to a very sad interview from a Leaver who explained why he voted as he did, and how he feels now, having discovered how much he was lied to. Part of his decision was based on the fact that he loves the NHS, and he really did think there would be more money for the NHS. To be fair, this is what we were all told:
www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/repentant-leave-brexit-voter-chokes-up-tear-son/

lurking

Don't forget a core British value is democracy - let the people decide.
And they did.

Yes, but contesting and disagreeing with your political opponents is also part of democracy. Those people who keep telling us Remainers to shut up and 'just accept' the result should remember that. As the article I linked to upthread points out, when there's a GE, if your party loses, you're not suddenly expected to give up your own views and join the winning party and agree with what they do.

A core British value is indeed democracy.

And we will continue to moan and groan and whinge and agitate until we know we are getting the best deal for our UK.

Which is not necessarily what Theresa May thinks is a good deal.

yes I am happy with the direction of Brexit - any direction away from further political union with Brussels is why i voted leave.

Right, got that just. Could you now explain why that makes you want to leave? How does it negatively impact the UK in your opinion?

Give it up valentine you're beginning to act a lot like the people you're currently joining in berating sticking to their beliefs blindly.

'Further political union with Brussels' that is.

sorry no shirley I think that's clear enough answer and op wanted a yes or no, I have already said too much.

Oh well, thanks for at least the bare bones

sorry no shirley I think that's clear enough answer and op wanted a yes or no, I have already said too much

What do you mean 'you've said too much'?

That's a really strange comment

Really unhappy and still hoping I'll wake up and it was all a bad dream, voted remain

No not happy but I guess we'll all have to learn the hard way.

This is where we are spending the money that should have been spent on schools/NHS/infrastructure crumbling under the weight of austerity measures. Not due to immigrants. But that is not what they want us to figure out. Best to keep us divided and fuel xenophobia from Tory conference itself.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0803b0s

magik
Sorry to offend or annoy you but I will need to stand by what I believe in. Don't know why it looks religious to you.

valentine stand by what you believe in by all means, I'm only questioning why you feel the need to pick at me. I highly suspect that you screwed up and can't bring yourself to admit you read my post wrong. At least I hope so because quite frankly your attempting to hound me personally including picking a post where I've backed to OP when she's being attacked looks like you're far more interested in proving some point than actually understanding anyone.
If its not because of that then you're attempting to bully me into saying that all leavers are idiotic racists and you've got as much likelihood of me saying that as surfer has of me accepting democracy is over now one referendum has been held.
Regardless if you harangue leavers like you've harangued me its completely understandable why they wont engage with you.

Britain voted out of the EU. So lets get on with it. What's the point in waiting? What would be waiting for?

magik
I have been trying to question you on one and one point only and literally nothing else. I quoted it too. If I am missing something then I am really sorry but I think I did go back to your posts. That one point was the thought process point and that was it. I have been lucky to have had two great mentors during my training some time ago. Both would have called it lack of thought process. Why in the world should we label it anything else when it isn't. Our ways to deal with things are quite different I think. For all other points, I am sorry if I missed any post on it (pls reply and paste it?) but that's the only point I won't leave my ground.
Besides, surfer didn't say anything even remotely harsh to me like you did. And she is a staunch Leaver. So I really don't get your reaction.

magik
I should clarify:I don't believe all leavers to be idiotic racists. Just that almost all idiots/racists did go on to vote Leave.there is a difference.for all other Leave voters, I just think we were all sold a big pack of lies and some of us bought it without thinking hard and long. That makes me angry but sad too that we are so divided (I was in some bubble till now). That also means we need to identify who lied to us and why.doing it together is the key.
That's my summary of what I think of Leavers/Remainers.

You've demanded I bullet point three precise reason why brexit was a good idea and continue to demand it despite the fact I have said time and time again that I have said on numerous occasions I do not agree with them and you've had that pointed out by other people. You've asked me to provide stats on point I haven't made.

And you continue to push an idea at me despite the fact I have said numerous times that I understood but didn't agree with leavers. You are still attempting to push it at me. And no, I'm not going to cave in to the pushing you are doing because you think your way is the only way out there. I also stand by my point that not listening to those disaffected got us into this mess and I maintain that refusing to acknowledge that and accusing them of not having a thought process that is correct is not helpful to anything at all. I won't, despite you saying the same thing over and over say all leavers are idiots.

If you don't want people to be harsh to you then don't make a point of being harsh to them then haranguing them trying to prove them something aren't.

Doing it together isn't going to work when you won't listen to them and just dismiss them though.

I stopped reading when a PP referred to competent hands - like Jeremy Corbyn's - which could apparently handle Brexit well.

Er, yeah. That Jeremy Corbyn who worked soooo hard on the Remain campaign.

I voted Remain and would like another referendum with some more realistic options. Remain and try a bit harder to be heard. Remain and take another view in five years, whatever. Brexit vote was a protest that had very little to do with Europe.

In your opinion.