To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

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This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

woodlander I thought the recession was to happen immediately after the leave vote along with an emergency budget or was that a lie taken in by all the remain voters? I believe the trouble the European union will face in the near future will leave many joining the exodus as the south is left to hang out to dry. Hard or soft brexit is not the choice of the UK government alone but all the EU with which so many hold in high regard so they should not be hard to strike a beneficial deal for all then? I wont hold my breath they will attempt to punish us over a democratic vote something they often disregard if it goes agiant them.

Don't let them wind you up valentine, please.

The intellectual inferiority of the bexishiteer always outs.

Yabbadabba - I believe that was when DC said A50 would be triggered on 24th June - in the event it was not. Still, the pound falling off a cliff and the stock market crash was a nice little taster for us. Do you genuinely feel things are looking good then? It must be nice up where you are.

smallfox i am not angry on surferjet . but planisnoplan????what is this? Are we aiming to go as low as those poor war torn, terror plagued countries now? And loads of those wars were helped a lot by our 10 Downing Street actively. planisnoplan is not like surferjet I tell you. is not normal behaviour.

"I thought the recession was to happen immediately after the leave vote along with an emergency budget or was that a lie taken in by all the remain voters?"

Uncertainty leading to a recession was predicted if we declared art 50 immediately. We have uncertainty, look at the levels of business optimism, this will be furthered by an increase in inflation after the turn of the year choking off consumer demand as energy, travel and the cost of essentials rises.

The emergency budget? Well we didn't declare art 50, but Hammond and May have indicated that spending cuts are still coming, although they have abandoned the goal of a surplus by 2020.

In essence many of the predictions of the economists have already come to pass, with others delayed due to the delay in art 50 and to the fact that we have changed the people in charge of the government.

" I wont hold my breath they will attempt to punish us over a democratic vote something they often disregard if it goes agiant them."

The EU won't punish us. Oh and don't invoke democracy if you don't want it debated in parliament.

Yeah - as long as we're not actually being blown up on the streets, or suffering natural disasters, things are looking good. Brexiteers have set the bar really low.

It doesn't matter what DC said he isn't PM anymore, you can provide as many figures as you want to show immigration is good for the economy I have no problem with that. It is the sheer numbers that people have a problem with.

" It is the sheer numbers that people have a problem with."

Why?

gingham what's your problem with the sheer numbers? If those numbers are good for economy then you obviously have a problem with economy being the way it is then? That's considering your argument about the numbers being high is valid.

You also realise that the entire EU population of the UK works out at 4% of our population.

Hardly a large number, in fact far smaller than the non EU population.

Also the increase in population last year from EU countries was an increase of 0.23%

ginghamand why did the areas where there was nearly no immigration voted Leave then?and the areas where there were large population of migrants voted Remain (natives being enough to be counted as the majority vote mind you).

gimgham and surferjet
People didn't have a problem with the immigration. They had a problem with how it was presented to them as the root of all the evils they were facing. It's not actual numbers. It's the perception of those numbers.

Good contribution, why haven't you adopted the official spelling of your name brexit?

No

Nope

Yabbadabbo you'll have noticed that as soon as TM opens her gob to mention A50 the pound takes another hammering? So far nothing too bad has happened because sensible business people around the world are still hoping that we'll see sense and pull back from Brexit rather than committing financial suicide and killing off the poor sections of our society (as they won't be able to pay for their weekly food and fuel bill if Brexit happens, never mind luxuries like clothing etc).

The Unilever/Tesco stand-off was an early test. So far they've obviously agreed between them to absorb the increased cost of goods - 18% since June - but that won't last forever. Sooner or later prices in the shops will increase in the UK, as the pound plummets against the dollar and the euro.
I know for sure that my small business simply can't absorb this level of additional cost, so we WILL be passing it on to the customer, or else closing the business down. No other alternatives.
Make no mistake - prices of ALL your everyday goods are about to increase by at least 20%...

Yet another completely pointless thread

Which in turn will choke domestic demand for goods and services, causing a downturn in the economy, stagflation.

Yet another completely pointless post from you BMW.

working out better than expected

For anyone concerned about how 'undemocratic' Remainers are, you should be very concerned indeed that Brexiteer Tory MP John Redwood would like to punish businesses that say they are pro EU. Whatever happened to free speech?

You'll be glad to know, wowowow, that the independent reputable sources are continuing to report on the brain drain:

ginghambox I think the solution to these type of problems is more investment and indeed policing if Asians are being harassed (as would apply whoever was doing the harassing and whoever was being harassed).

Both the Tories and Labour now want an immigrant fund to help the relatively small number of areas which have seen a rapid influx of newcomers and which have not yet managed to assimilate them, or who do not know how to cope with the rapid changes to their communities. I wish they had had this fund a long time ago, instead we had things like the massive Tory cuts to the further education sector, which included English language teaching .

My point however is that coming out of the EU in order to deal with the problems you mention is IMO throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It's taking a hugely damaging (to the country and its population as a whole) sledgehammer to deal with issues which could easily have been dealt with and solved at local levels, if the political willingness, enthusiasm and interest had been there.