To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

[Bearbehind]

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

Just realised I haven't counted you small- wasn't sure whether to put you as a Yes or No!

Valentine2
The problem with these referendum threads is they descend very quickly into something farcical - insults start flying around like confetti ( if I had a pound for every time smallfox has called me ignorant & inarticulate I'd have about 500 quid ) so any chance of sensible conversation is pretty slim - I've hidden the ref board for that very reason ( complete waste of time ) but I'll type out a quick reply to you.

I voted leave, not because I hate all immigrants, but because I felt uncontrolled immigration is not the way forward. Controlling something doesn't = bad.
And you have to accept that not everyone feels like you, that uncontrolled immigrantion is nothing to worry about, it clearly is or 52% of people wouldn't have voted to leave. Of course not all those 52% voted leave purely on uncontrolled immigration, but that would have been the main reason for many. Why do you think that is? It's all very well to have a go at me but that's not going to solve the problem is it. And the problems you spoke about in your last post, do you not think people felt that way before June 23rd? - yes Brexit has given a few idiots an excuse to be even more idiotic, but there has been a problem in this country for a long time now, you just have to look at the rise of UKIP to know that - life long labour supporters were turning to them in desperation, why do you think that is?
If we hadn't voted to leave the EU do you honestly think everything would have been wonderful? I think things would have got worse quite honestly.

"Will my husband keep his job for which EU citizenship was a mandatory requirement?"

As a matter of fact some professional english speaking jobs in some industries that require a great deal of travelling between UK, Europe and the' rest of the world' have already started being advertised stating only EU passport holder may apply.

surfer
Are you happy for our country to go to the dogs just to have fewer foreigners? Why ever? What's wrong with foreigners?

How do they bother you? As to "you just have to look at the rise of UKIP to know that - life long labour supporters were turning to them in desperation, why do you think that is?" it is because of targeted propaganda by reactionary news media, which has been so effective because of the manipulative rhetoric and because people who lap this shit up are not the most educated chaps. Some people who have been left behind when Britain lost its manufacturing industries or who have a culture of not striving have been told by these nasty news outlets that they are under threat by EU foreigners (and Muslims!!). Well, this kind of brainwash has clearly worked. Not just on the dispossessed but on comfortable off working and middle classes too. Sorry, you've been had.

"Will my husband keep his job for which EU citizenship was a mandatory requirement?" I hope it will work out for you and you dh

yes Brexit has given a few idiots an excuse to be even more idiotic

You said it surfer and you are leading from the front.

Uncontrolled immigration is bad, which is why we've never had uncontrolled immigration. Doesn't say a lot for 52% of those who voted if they did, as is suggested, vote entirely on getting rid of something that never exists and don't give a crap about economics.

No, I'm not.

Surfer, there you go again playing the innocent. You've thrown insults with the best of them and played the role of smug and goady numerous times.

The real reason why you wonthink engage is because rather than let you hold an opinion based on poorly sourced and I'll reasoned opinions I challenge you.

Every time you mention migration and the NHS, I'll tell you about the healthy migrant effect and he studies that prove that EU immigration doesn't cause extra pressure. I'll tell you about the fact hat cutting immigration doesn't lead to significant falls in demand but it does lead to cuts in funding. I'll tell you about austerity and the fact that cutsex to councils leave people in beds as the care services aren't there.

You'll mention places like Boston and I'll agree that it has had large immigration, but that the services there aren't at breaking point and that much of the causes are down to changes in the way the farms work over the last 20 years.

But whatever is said, you repeat your points again and again and tell me to shut up and suck it up.

No, nay, never, you can't justify your stance because you didn't vote out on anything other than prejudice.

As for people losing sleep over it! Seriously?!

Yep, me too. Husband's job depends on UK being in the EU. The job will move, probably to Germany. Just remains to be seen whether we even have the choice to move with it.

Would that not make you at least a little less settled at night?

Very unhappy with how it is going.

as for all these 'amazing' deals we're going to do with all the countries like India - the truth is that nobody want's to deal with a country that's xenophobic and racist

So every country in the world is going to boycott the UK because we voted to leave the EU.

Ok.

As a matter of fact some professional english speaking jobs in some industries that require a great deal of travelling between UK, Europe and the' rest of the world' have already started being advertised stating only EU passport holder may apply

US, perhaps ? Or Asia ?

"So every country in the world is going to boycott the UK because we voted to leave the EU."

Being part of the EU has given us a competitive advantage for attracting FDI and when doing trade with other nations, but as well as this the fact that we have now become openly xenophobic (or people like you are) may discourage FDI from firms yes.

You really never tire of being wrong do you.

surfer - you do realise that what you've just said is basically "now we've changed our national moto to 'foreigners not welcome', will foreigners really not like us anymore?" As though it's unlikely foreign investment, industry and tourism will be put off..... Hmmm, what do you think....?!!

I think OP has got the answer to their straw poll that she or he was seeking. My and anyone's vote either way is now irrelevant; we have what we have and we deal with it. We're hardly Haitians having our lives annihilated by Hurricaines...just a rich democracy dealing with a new(ish) situation, not really that bad if put into perspective.

No!

As a country we generally don't have referendums so a great number of people don't understand the ramifications of their vote.

There seems a determination to totally bugger up the economy by a small handful of brexiteers.

We've only had a small taste of the consequences and the future terrifies me. Cutting off of noses to spite ourselves springs to mind.

The leave campaign told shameful lies and there's been no censure. They should be thoroughly ashamed and legal action taken against them as had they told the truth and reality I think many people would have voted differently.

The reasons why people voted out are, in some cases unclear, but I certainly think a majority didn't vote for a hard brexit.

Awful, just awful.

Terrified should only apply when one is faced with real 'terror'; hardly applicable in brexitising, however it's probably indicative of how 'protected' we are that people can be "terrified" by a a mere concept and not by instantaneous, uncontrollable reality. This 'mechanism of control'; the fostering of "terror" is an ancient, proven method of subjugation.

I think people can quite rightly be terrified at risks to livelihoods and family futures, others about the xenophobia that has clearly risen in the country and the subjugation of our own democracy by that of the tyranny of the majority.

To counter otherwise is an attempt to dismiss these genuinely held feelings. HTH

PlanIsNoPlan Fuck off.
We are terrified. Our very livelihoods and homes are at stake due to how Brexit has already and will continue to affect my family and friends' families. your post is ignorant and pompous and without a shred of empathy for real peoples lives whose lives are being ten apart by Brexit.

Just do fuck off.

People are terrified of losing their jobs, and not being able to get another, in the predicted recession that will follow leaving the single market and losing the city passport. That is pretty bloody frightening when you have a mortgage and kids.

torn apart by brexit

surferjet
Thanks for the reply. What I don't understand though is this:I remember your initial posts right after Brexit vote. You used to give a lot of arguments regarding leaving EU.it was about a lot of things then. Now slowly you are beginning to admit/say that it was mainly about immigration. Ok then. Let's say it was. But smallfox and many others have given a large number of reference and EU referendum board is full of studies that have shown what smallfox just summarised here again for you. Now please tell me:if immigration is not what is causing all these problems in the first place, why is immigration a problem for you then? Just one sentence. One reply from you please? Why something so completely irrelevant is the centre of your argument now? Please please please reply this?.
Now pls tell me one more thing. Stand in my shoes for this. Then tell mewhat you feel.. We remember your arguments. We know there was aTory conference just last week or so where they basically mainstreamed and normalised the idea that public didn't vote on much else than immigration.they didn't try and help the public understand that there are clear cut studies showing immigration is beneficial. No. That's what TMay said herself and she said its people's will. Now tell me how you look like to me after joining all l these dots? You look like a person who is so afraid of foreigners that she is ready to believe that sending the country to a turbulent state forever more is a good enough bargain for getting rid of non native faces.you voted to take livelihood of millions away from them just so you didn't have to deal with foreigners ? And you did this to your children ?you are standing on the side of Fuckrage/BloJo/Gove and asking us to respect that? You come across as a person who hates establishment but will buy from establishment only because power fascinates you. You are in awe of the power and feel powerless yourself. But WE ALL are powerless against them,can't you see? They wanted to divide this nation and they have done it really neatly along the middle. First, they made you really needy (your reference to the Labour viters turning to UKIP) It's purpose was to make sure you are vulnerable and don't have a cushion in any way. This meant there was a section of society that didn't haave the energy nor the time to focus on their lies. Then they started peddling lies,one at a time. Fuckrage has been working on it since how long now?). Their aim is to keep you under control. They don't want us to see through their lies together. The moto of colonial Britain was "divide and rule". What makes you think cannibals don't eat their own?
I can't call you names. You are my own.angry/inarticulate/opponent whatever. You are my own who I badly need to be with me if I have to fight "them". So please don't be angry anymore and either reply questions directly or just say ok I have no reply so may be others who have are right. Either way, you will still be mine and "they" will loose eventually. I am writing this with tears in my eyes. What have they managed to achieve and how hard we have to work to undo it now.

planisnoplan is definitely Andrea Leadsom. Hi mum!

planisnoplan
OH MY GOD! I just read this "Terrified should only apply when one is faced with real 'terror'" WTF??? You consider I should only be terrified when I am actually sticking on a wall in a London undergroun after a terrorist attack? Or when I am dying after being blasted into pieces in far off lands thousands of miles from my mother in a war thats illegal?
WHAT.THE.ACTUAL.FUCK.!! Please fuck off to the far end of the fuckland and then fuck off some more! You don't know terror.