To think the Ched Evans verdict shows why mob justice is wrong

[JonathanDunn]

Hundreds of thousands of people were willing Condemn a innocent man. He was practically forced out of football. This is why we can't play jury from our sofas.

Please ignore luckylavender she is a serial apologist and misogynist who often posts her venom towards rape victims and their nerve to come forward

Hmmm, it seems that Grumpy is telling porkies regarding 'legal background'

Pinky - and this- twats like lavender and their misogynistic attitudes.

No lucky I will not, I have seen your horrific apologist comments before and abhor them

Where?!!!

On MN, can't remember which boards but there are just certain names that stick! A site for woman has no place for victim blaming like yours

Pinky you have personally insulted my views and intelligence & I'm fed up of it. Show evidence or apologise & stop your keyboard ranting because it's pathetic and damaging & I'm very insulted. You don't have the moral high ground for outrage.

Thank you Vera Baird.

Ched Evans rape case 'sets us back 30 years' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37666228

I won't be sorry for insulting victim blaming views. If you feel my posts are out of order report them.

lucky, Pinky is not the only one to take issues with your posts

it's not a personal thing, it's the content of what you are writing that is the problem

you are taking it very personally though, so I think any "ranting" is far more ascribable to yourself

What if that was your son? Your dad? Your partner?

Women are often asked this whenever they make noises about getting some sort of fairness in the justice system over rape.

Let's take my partner. If DH had ever behaved even remotely like CE did that night, he would not be with me. I do not consider it to be normal acceptable behaviour for men to :

-get a 'got a bird' message from your mate,
-redirect your taxi to the hotel,
-lie to get access to the room,
-enter the room without knocking,
-and 'have a go' on the woman inside, who several people testified was so drunk she could barely speak,
-do a 'shush' sign to your brother and his mate who are watching/filming through the window,
-to start having sex with her without speaking a solitary word to her, without knowing her name,
-then bugger off through the fire escape.

^All that is CE's own testimony.

So if you're asking me how I would feel if that was my son, father or partner who had done all that - well, I would be sickened. I would wonder what the fuck had gone wrong that he feels able to treat people that way. CE is an utter scumbag.

Yup, the what if it was your male relative "arguemnt" holds no water here at all

I would expect them to attract the same degree of vilification no matter who acted in such a fashion

And I shudder to think the effect this will have on women reporting rape now.

The absolute hatred on social media towards the complainant, naming her, was shameful when he was convicted in 2012. Now it's even worse - not only has he been cleared through a very dubious decision by the Court of Appeal, she's had to relive the nightmare in a retrial, and her sex life has been plastered all over the papers.

I agree, this has put us back 30 years.

He hasn't been found innocent. All that has happened is that the jury felt they couldn't say that he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

'The mob' didn't bring a prosecution against him - that was the Crown prosecution service. 'The mob' didn't find him guilty at his first trial, that was a jury.

Given the way he acted, it is difficult to argue that his career wouldn't have been damaged by his actions, even if he had been found not guilty at the first trial. At the time that there was the furore over him playing for Leeds etc, he did have a rape conviction.

Behaviour of people acting in his name has certainly made him look worse.

People keep saying the result itself won't affect victim reporting, I find that dubious for a start. But without that, it will affect what juries do in future. These people commenting that she is a slag and should be sued for false accusation (paraphrased) are potentially going to serve on juries in rape trials.

Would I report knowing that a large chunk of society has these attitudes, and are going to be in the jury in the tiny chance it gets as far as court? Fuck no.

Would she have alleged rape if they had not been famous?

I am sceptical that somebody 'in the law' would be that inaccurate. I suppose it depends what 'in the law' means.

"the measure of any society is how it treats its women and girls"

Michelle Obama

This is all about how women are perceived and how girls will be perceived.

Perhaps she meant "wrong side of the law"

Easy mistake to make

What if that was your son? Your dad? Your partner?

I would be disgusted if any of them (you forgot grandad, brother, uncle, nephew, cousin) had behaved in the way CE behaved. I would think they were utter scumbags not worth my time of day.

If my mum, sister, gran, aunt, niece or cousin had been treated in the way CE treated them, they would be getting my full support.

The "what if it was your [insert male family member]" is beyond ridiculous. Every accused person has family. Look at Brock Turner's vile father, who referred to the fact that his son sodomised his victim with a nearby object "20 minutes of action". Does it mean they didn't do it? No. if someone really was "in the law" they wouldn't be so dense as to say things like that.

Conviction rates for rape are derisory.
This verdict will serve to lower them further.
How could any woman, on the basis of this case, have any confidence now in a fair trial?

And I'm still staggered that the fiancées father was happy to put up 50k to support a man who at the very least interpretation - had chosen to cheat on his daughter ?

I hope that people realise how fucking upsetting this shit is for us who were too scared to go to the police because we didn't want to be dragged through the mire.
Nobody's a winner in the playground spat here, if you've never been raped you will not understand so consider how you'd feel reading this? It's not debate it's fucking point scoring at somebody's expense.

PinkyOfPie - I have reported you - for lying about me. For calling me an apologist.

Ched Evans was not being tried for being a mysogenist pig who treats women like dirt .
The jury were asked if they believed beyond all reasonable doubt, that Ched did not believe the woman had implied she was consenting to sex.

Some posters seem unable to differentiate between the 2 things.

What's interesting is that in CE case if there was defendant anonymity the two new witnesses might not have come forward (as he wasnt named) and so he wouldn't have been able to appeal.
Assuming you believe the witness narrative that he came forward after hearing about the previous trial in the media.