AIBU to park in a parent and child space?

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I have just read a story that tesco is going to start charging people who use parent and child/disabled spaces when they shouldn't.

I agree that these spaces should be kept for those who need them but once a week I am guilty of parking in a parent and child space (there are always a lot of them free) with my 82 year old relative.

The two reasons I do this are - Once when in a normal space due to there not being enough room my relative suffered a bad cut on her shin from banging it whilst trying to close the door.

The second being these spaces are always near to the door and less walking distance in an area that is dangerous for people with poor sight/hearing.

AIBU to do this?

Really a baby can not be compared to be disabled or caring for someone disabled. To even try to do so simply shows a complete lack of understanding of the daily battles faced by the disabled.

I don't think yabu and I think it's sad we live in a world where some people do. It's not the end of the world. Crack on

No one is saying being a parent is as hard as being disabled. That would be ridiculous.

Supermarkets provide P&C spaces in addition to disabled spaces. The one should not impact upon the other. If people who need to cannot use the disabled spaces because of problems with the BB system then supermarkets should be petitioned to provide spaces for people with mobility issues without blue badges. However, we would find that the same chancers who abuse P&C spaces would abuse these spaces.

From my point of view the friction between some parents and some people with disabilities arises because the spaces they are allocated to use are quite often lumped together- swimming pool changing rooms, toilets etc. Businesses need to consider this more. As do users. It's not hard to be considerate.

Francis Yes they can. But you have to be able to open the doors wide enough to to get them in and out safely.

Using available wider or closer spaces ie the p and c spaces is a reasonable adjustment. How many times does that have to be said.

That's what I was thinking Feral.

Is the relative your mother? Because if so, strictly speaking you are parking in an appropriate space . . .

Not everyone with a disability is entitled to a blue badge though so when available the p and c spaces make sense.

I have massive issues with places who lump baby changing facilities in with disabled facilities - that is just lazy and bad planning. But this is different this is people with additional needs of some sort choosing the space to park in which best suits their needs and if that it a p and c space then to right they should use it!

This drives me mad and I applaud Tesco for it! They are for if you use a CHILD CAR SEAT not just if a passenger in the car is your child ie if they can climb into the car themselves and fasten their own belt you don't need the P&C space. They don't need to be nearer the entrance just wider i once had to park in a normal space and nipped into the store carrying DS in his car seat when I came out 6 mins later a car had parked so close to me I couldn't physically fit his seat through the door opening into the car he was only a couple of weeks old and I was on my own I ended up resting his seat on the floor in front of the car in the walkway and reversing a couple of feet out of the space to open his door enough,it was horrible as a nervous new mum putting him onto the floor near cars and people walking past.

Sirzy I'm not disagreeing with you. People with mobility issues should get parking spaces to meet their needs.

I'm not sure that most or even many of the people who abuse P&C spaces fit that criteria. The 20 something man who nipped into the last P&C space last night and then hopped merrily out of his car and jogged into the supermarket is more representative.

More often than not the parent and baby spaces are further away from the store and it's so people can get in and out without smacking someone else's car with a child that isn't capable of getting out by themselves. (Under 6 I personally would say)

It's up to the supermarkets, they can make up whatever rules they want to, it's private property after all.

Supermarkets still have to obey the law.

More often than not the parent and baby spaces are further away from the store

I have never seen that, they are more often than not as close to the store as the BB spaces. My local Sainsburys has made them either/or ffs! It's ludicrous.

chancers who abuse P&C spaces
You mean those spaces that are put there by the supermarkets to get parents, their biggest spenders, to fork out more on their weekly shop? The 20 something man nipping in to get his shopping is no less entitled to use that space imo. Do you know for sure that he didn't need to get to a toilet quickly because of a leaky colostomy bag, or a bladder problem? I suspect in your blinkered, parent orientated world, it's only the elderly that suffer with stuff like this. Well lucky you. Since my dc were small, the word 'parent' seems to have become synonymous with every disadvantaged group who are genuinely entitled to extra care and consideration.
Those spaces are a courtesy. They are not legally or morally enforceable and we managed without them before, strangely enough without all this pathetic angst.
Sorry, but at what point did some parents become such helpless, entitled drips?

However if you have a disabled child or any relative with disability and they're not entitled to a disabled badge then more often than not, a supermarket will allow special consideration when they see your clearly in need of the space. I would speak to the manager of your local store and get one of their 'for store use only' disabled passes.

Surely these passes only exist on Planet Whatthefuck.

Although these threads are repeated often, they're always useful in updating the list of posters who are such ultra-twats that they believe their desire to open a door to its maximum extent trumps the needs of a frail, elderly person who has difficulties walking . Always good to know.

Zame that is exactly the reason that child spaces should not be right at the door of the shop, put them in front of the shop they get abused by people who don't need them. I never go to Asda because they are in front of the shop and always full.
The Sainsbury's I use has a line of disabled then the child spaces much further away from the door. It is not a big issue to walk with a child down a footpath, gives parents the benefit of wider space, and the frail old people with BB the benefit of wider spaces and being closer to the door. What is selfish or hard about that???

People who think you are BU can't have done much shopping with a frail, elderly relative or applied for a BB for one. I regularly take my 86-year-old Gran out for lunch and we can only go to places where I can stop right outside as she needs an arm to help her in and out of the car and get sat down, but she doesn't qualify for a badge :(

So, I'm a test for think people need to be able to get their baby safely in and out of the car?

Only on AIBU.

I'll update my list of people who like to over conflate two seperate arguments.

Obviously parenting scum should stick to leaving their babies in the car while they shop if they can't get them out. Entitled wankers. Or is that a whole different pearl clutching thread?

Because parents are the reason the elderly and the disabled are so badly off at the moment and not the bloody government and their ideological cuts.

Also, I'm off. It seems that sense shall not reign on AIBU. Who would have thought.

I drop my DF off at the door then go and park, then pick him up at the door afterwards. No need to use P&C spaces.

I had a just turned 4 year old, an almost 3 year old and a newborn at one stage. I never had to open the doors of the car FULLY to get any or all of them out. What sort of crazy stuff is going on. It wasn't that long ago either, the oldest is 9 now.