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to ask if you would vote for Corbyn and what area of the country you are in?

753 replies

WillyW8nker · 27/09/2016 14:43

Just curious as to whether Corbyn's re-election means his popularity is better than the polls suggest and also if there is a divide in the geographical location of his supporters.

So, would you vote for Corbyn if there was a GE tomorrow and what part of the country are you in?

Me: I would vote for him. I am in London.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/09/2016 15:08

There are also many Labour voters that won't vote Labour whilst he is leader, don't forget.

Thurlow · 29/09/2016 15:12

DinosaursRoar, I mentioned this much earlier in the thread but no, I don't think many Tory/Lib Dem voters would vote for him. If any.

He's far too left-wing. If you take someone who votes "centre", they are presumably open to being swayed by both the centre left and the centre right. But not swayed to the hard left or the hard right.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/09/2016 15:33

If I remember rightly one post on here is from someone who said that would vote for him and voted tory last election

there will not be many certainly not in any number to make a difference

Yet lots and lots of people who always vote Labour will not while Corbyn is in charge and many are leaving the party

Sam he didn't only call that preacher an honoured citizen he said he was someone people should listen to and this was after he made such comments

The press are going to have a field day tearing his image apart in the run up to an election something I will be happy to witness and his downfall

DinosaursRoar · 29/09/2016 16:03

Thurlow - sorry I missed your earlier post! It does seem to be the main issue - not can he unite & inspire the party, or get a few non-voters to vote, or even get higher turn outs in Labour seats, but can he take Tory seats. Frankly if you win a Labour seat with 45% of the vote or 80% of the vote in that constituency, it's still the same number of seats in the House of Commons.

Agree with others that this can only be a good thing for the LibDems, they might be back in the game after 2020 if JC is the Labour Leader.

Thurlow · 29/09/2016 16:08

I do wonder whether, in a few years time, there will be new or reorganised parties - a new Lib Dem party with the centre left of Labour perhaps, leaving a more left wing Labour?

CockacidalManiac · 29/09/2016 16:25

Orwell, predicting Corbyn..

to ask if you would vote for Corbyn and what area of the country you are in?
shovetheholly · 29/09/2016 17:05

Oh, nonsense cockacidal. I'm sorry, but that article is a prime example of the ignorant, historically and culturally illiterate drivel that journalists are writing these days.

Orwell wasn't "predicting Corbyn" - more critiquing the middle class 'ethical socialism'of his day (it's far more a comment on class, in context, than anything else). But to put this into some perspective, it's worth noting that he was a smallholder who kept goats Grin. There's debate about whether he was a Trotskyist or not (and his politics did shift subtly with the turbulent times he lived through) but he was very definitely a left wing figure by the middle of his career - committed to anti-capitalism, and famously arguing for a "third way" between the gradual reformism of mainstream Labour and the revolutionary violence of Stalinist communism (both of which he disliked, partly because of anarchist sympathies). At that point, he was a member of the Independent Labour Party (the very party Bevan critiqued for being "pure, but impotent" - does that sound familiar?!!), which was distinctly to the left of the mainstream party after 1931. He fought in the Spanish civil war alongside the Marxists. He really thought Britain was on the eve of revolution in the early 40s, and was excited by that prospect. Towards the end of his life, he became more conservative - but still to the left of mainstream Labour, and still feeling that they weren't pushing far enough, hard enough.

To wheel him out as some defender of Toryism or centrist Blairism is just ridiculous.

Wheredidallthejaffacakesgo · 29/09/2016 17:08

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Elendon · 29/09/2016 17:17

Where OOOhhh want to know why not in SW England! Are you from Exeter or Plymouth? (Thinking of moving to Exeter in the future). Or maybe Bristol?

Shove, it was a joke and lighten up. Orwell was not a socialist in the SWP sense, he was a socialist in the Blairite sense. Get into power whichever means and then make change happen.

shovetheholly · 29/09/2016 17:19

Did you even read my post? He was absolutely NOT a socialist in the Blairite sense. I just cited all the evidence to prove that!

CockacidalManiac · 29/09/2016 17:19

To wheel him out as some defender of Toryism or centrist Blairism is just ridiculous.

Lol, fuck right off. I'm not either of those, and I imagine I know rather more about Orwell than you.

shovetheholly · 29/09/2016 17:22

I wasn't saying you were either of those - I was saying Orwell was emphatically NOT either of those as far as I am aware. If you've uncovered new evidence, though, and have peer-reviewed papers in the works I'd love to know about them and could maybe give you a cite in my own work - PM me!

OyWithThePoodles · 29/09/2016 17:23

Thanks for the background holly - I saw that quote on Twitter posted by arch Corbyn-hater J K Rowling - assumed the last bit was added by her ....

CockacidalManiac · 29/09/2016 17:27

Thanks for the background holly - I saw that quote on Twitter posted by arch Corbyn-hater J K Rowling - assumed the last bit was added by her ...

That'd be the same J K Rowling that's a long time friend of the Labour Party; she knows what's it's like to endure hard times too. Unlike long time politician Corbyn, who hasn't actually managed anything in all his years on the back benches.

CockacidalManiac · 29/09/2016 17:32

I wasn't saying you were either of those - I was saying Orwell was emphatically NOT either of those as far as I am aware. If you've uncovered new evidence, though, and have peer-reviewed papers in the works I'd love to know about them and could maybe give you a cite in my own work - PM me!

Perhaps you think that he'd be writing for the Canary?

shovetheholly · 29/09/2016 17:33

Yes, I was a bit surprised to see her citing that oy, not because of the party politics but because of the sexual politics. There's quite a lot of critique of Orwell's homophobia, which several feminist critics have argued runs implicitly through those things he wrote against 'effete, vegetarian' socialists versus 'proper manly' ones. While I disagree with her party political position, I don't see her as someone who would really want to be associated with that, therefore I reckon it's an accident and she just hasn't read much Orwell and hasn't picked up on it? Smile.

Headofthehive55 · 29/09/2016 17:34

Live long labour voter.
No
Need to find another party! Eek!
East Midlands.

shovetheholly · 29/09/2016 17:35

cockacidal - was it Bernard Crick who said that the only thing we could say about Orwell, were he alive today, would be that he'd be very old? Grin

CockacidalManiac · 29/09/2016 17:43

I suppose the only think we can be sure of, is that he'd sue about this quote.

to ask if you would vote for Corbyn and what area of the country you are in?
shovetheholly · 29/09/2016 17:44

Hahaha! Yes I think he would - and he bloody well ought to win! Grin

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/09/2016 19:43

I wonder who Orwell would support if he were alive today

probably obvious from my posts I have a deep dislike for angsty mc socialists that know what's best for the working class, their fake anguish and desire to rid themselves of their class roots. Corbyn spoke of the Tories being the party that worked for the privileged few made up from those who are the privileged few He is part of the privileged few. I despise this attitude of pretence as much as so many of them despise the white working class

That's reminds me Emily Thornberry is on Question Time tonight and it's from Boston

PotteringAlong · 29/09/2016 19:46

Not a chance. North east

Elendon · 29/09/2016 19:49

So defensive. It never works when in opposition.

A proper opposition comes out with all guns blazing, without using emails.

Can we please stop with the emails!

JK Rowling rocks! (And should be our next PM). Under LABOUR.

ItsJustNotRight · 29/09/2016 19:59

Deblet - you vote for Dennis Skinner but not Corbyn? ??? Can I ask why ?

mummymeister · 29/09/2016 20:09

it is a dilemma I guess for some people. if your constituency mp is decent and does a good job and is labour by not voting for them you risk getting a twat in their place who does nothing for local people.

however, I am taking the view that those labour mps who don't like corbyn should be looking at forming together and breaking away. there is a real need for a left of centre party in this country. the libdems might benefit as this is where they have sat in the past - you might even say that the libdems were actually left of the tony blair labour party. but really their credibility has been destroyed at least for the foreseeable future.

I wonder if this will see the rise of the independent? I wonder how many labour mps will be deselected and go independent?

all of this is of course very interesting to speculate on and we are living in exciting political times but we cant have a strong effective government without a strong and effective opposition.

and if I see corbyn do that fecking supercilious I am better than you smirk again I might have to just egg him next time he is out on the hustings.