to ask if you would vote for Corbyn and what area of the country you are in?

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Just curious as to whether Corbyn's re-election means his popularity is better than the polls suggest and also if there is a divide in the geographical location of his supporters.

So, would you vote for Corbyn if there was a GE tomorrow and what part of the country are you in?

Me: I would vote for him. I am in London.

No I wouldn't.. The cultish adoration is sinister. He's not a moderate and doesn't seem to have well developed policies.
I would love to be able to vote labour but would need a new leader.

Yes, I would. He used to be my local MP many years ago. The closest thing to an honest politician I've ever encountered.
I'm in a Tory stronghold. Everyone round here votes Conservative and then complains about all the cuts imposed - by the Tories.

I haven't personally heard the antisemitism and other aggression from Corbyn supporters (I don't follow the Labour Facebook page) but if I did from any around me I would call out those people as that stuff is not on.

However all politics is a compromise and involves supporting somebody who has some opinions you disagree with and who may not always be pleasant. I've seen that enough times from friends who've been involved in party activism. (Longer term than the Corbyn joinees.) But some things can be deal-breakers.

The Corbyn stance on issues like welfare, social equality and the environment is what's important to me. Meanwhile I think renationalisation is a nice idea in theory, but would probably be a waste of money and a distraction from more important things, and we already have enough expensive faffing in the pipeline due to legislation rewrites related to Brexit.

McDonnell is IMO a loose cannon who doesn't belong in a senior post.

No.

South East

However all politics is a compromise and involves supporting somebody who has some opinions you disagree with and who may not always be pleasant

What makes this different seem to be is that many of the pro-Corbyn activists refuse to accept support from anyone who doesn't agree with everything Corbyn stands for.

Even your own comment Meanwhile I think renationalisation is a nice idea in theory, but would probably be a waste of money would cause you to be shunned by some staunch Corbynistas.

There seems to be a drive to maintain "purity" amongst the movement - rather than welcoming all comers even if they are yet to be convinced about every aspect of the cause.

Proven earlier in the week at the Conference when a speaker who said that the party needed to win over Tory voters was heckled with the comments "Why? we don't want them!"

no yorks,corbyn is an odious and devious extreemist who activly supported the IRA when they were bombing mainland uk.

Astonished at the number of supposedly left leaning people who would rather have another 5 years of Tory rule, continued huge social welfare cuts, and the further deliberate destruction of the NHS than a labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn, because 'he's not working class enough', 'he hasn't had a proper job', 'he's patronising', he has a bad attitude to women, he's anti-semitic, all of which opinions are put forward with no evidence as far as I can see.

I have plenty of friends who either didn't vote in the last election, or voted Tory out of a dislike for who they imagined Ed Miliband to be based on what they read in the Daily Mail/The Times/The Express/The Sun/The Telegraph, all of which did a fantastic job of character assassination on him, as they've done on every Labour leader since Tony Blair. They have done nothing except moan about the government since then.

Personality politics is utter fucking bollocks, because we're still a country where a forelock-tugging belief in the intellectual and moral superiority of the upper-classes is locked into our DNA.

People will either vote Tory or by not voting allow them to keep power without a truly democratic mandate on the basis that deep down inside, they trust them more, despite the evidence that they have increased poverty, damaged our economy, and forged a deeply unkind social environment for our poor children to grow up in.

Vote for fucking policies not for personalities.

Personality politics and a hugely partisan press will leave us with politicians like fucking Trump and Putin.

I don't care whether JC is an arsehole or give two shits about his personal management style. I just want a labour government.

minfingerz if you just want a labour government then you wont get one if you vote for Corbyn and Momentum at the next election.

Lots of people want to see a Labour government and that is precisely why they wont be voting Corbyn and Momentum.

how do we judge Corbyns policies? by what he says directly and what he makes happen directly and importantly what he allows to happen and doesn't speak out against.

so bullying of Jewish members - obviously Ok with Corbyn since he hasn't spoken out against it yet knows its happening.

threats to MPs who don't agree with everything he says - obviously Ok with Corbyn since he hasn't spoken out against it yet knows its happening.

Death threat by his Deputy, second only to him and party leader in his absence -obviously Ok with Corbyn since he hasn't spoken out against it yet knows its happening.

This has nothing to do with newspapers and nothing to do with personality politics.

it has everything to do with a leader who wont denounce the illegal actions of his thugs in Momentum or his own deputy.

I have listened to his conference speech. where did he condemn these things? you cant blame that on the press can you.

what about the changing of a shadow cabinet members speech at conference on the auto cue because it wasn't liked? do you think Corbyn didn't know about this and didn't sanction it. why wasn't he leaping up saying how wrong it was.

this man has never chaired a committee, he has consistently voted against his own party yet wont let others vote or disagree with him.

and I don't tug my forelock to anyone - ever.

^many of the pro-Corbyn activists refuse to accept support from anyone who doesn't agree with everything Corbyn stands for.

There seems to be a drive to maintain "purity" amongst the movement - rather than welcoming all comers even if they are yet to be convinced about every aspect of the cause.^

A perennial problem on the left, especially with students. Some people grow out of it, at least...
It's not something I've heard from friends but it's not difficult to believe it exists.
When that happens, ironically there ends up being a lack of momentum behind specific, realistic causes because of insistence on purity and the resulting internecine squabbles - and nothing gets changed with that attitude.

I just want a labour government.

Irrespective of their policies?

The policies Labour put forward prior to the last election in their manifesto have been rejected and scrapped by the party since - hence the PLP conflict with the wider party.

Blindly voting for a party is no better than personality politics, is it? If the party has changed its values, then don't supporters have to decide if they still support?

Nothing to do with economics in my case.

It's Corbyn's regular, career long alignment with Sinn Fein, Hamas, Hizbollah, Iran regime etc.

Is it so astonishing to have (women in the main since we are on Mumsnet) UK voters rejecting a stalwart and idefatigable ally of "hard" men with access to arms?

well I was a yes (south) but this thread is leaning me to a no
I haven't voted Labour in years but Corbyn was swinging it for me but some things on here do not sit right with me, I'll have to look into it further but I am wary….

and all other lifelong Labour voters also want a Labour government

but I can not vote for a man who has shown solidarity towards the IRA and befriended terrorist groups, groups that part of their manifesto is the destruction of Israel. Corbyn can not take part in international peace talks when he shows and has showed such support from these groups

no one has said he isn't working class enough they are saying he doesn't represent the working class though he has decided for us to take on this role and knows what is best for us

minifingerz your respose is typical response from a Corbyn supporter (though many are filled with insults and threats, what Fizzcat has experienced is utterly disgraceful and Corbyn and McDonnell are aware this has been going on and have turned a blind eye until making a statement recently claiming we will not stand for this, yet they have for months now). Those not supporting him have been told we are really red tories or not real Labour supporters, we are but we have principles to and for some he has crossed that line. I have always voted Labour, I come from a family that have always been party members and actively supported the Labour party (few left in the late 70's/early 80's due to far left infiltrating the party but returned under John Smith). Labour being in government has made my families life better we have experienced the vale of having a Labour government in power I am no less a Labour supporter than you are

Penny, anti-semitism is not a 'political' stance to be compromised on, it's discrimination, pure and simple. There should be zero tolerance of discrimination in a political party- it is that simple, racism, antisemitism, aren't just opinions that are a bit 'unpleasant', they are against the law and there shouldn't be room for 'compromise'.

I will not be voting for Labour and nor will my husband who is Jewish. We both voted for Labour in the last election. We are in Sussex.

I would never vote for him. I'm Jewish.

I hate the cult feel about it too.
I have friends who are for Corbyn and friends who are not. Doing the rounds on social media this week from the pro Corbyn supporters was this little gem.

'All you life long labour supporters who don't support Corbyn, you've been supporting the wrong party so F... O.. we don't want you'

Interestingly the worst of the offenders are far from what is considered 'working class' a bit like Jezza I suppose.

I would never vote for him. I'm Jewish.

that statement alone and one that is repeated often should be enough to for those supporting Corbyn to think that maybe they are backing the wrong person

change that to I'm Black or I'm Asian all Labour supporters would be rightfully horrified but the hatred of Israel on the far left of the party has made anti-Semitism acceptable. It makes me want to rip up my membership card but I haven't as the Labour party is better than this and we can move on from this

EnthusiasmDisturbed How?

How can the labour party move on from this when it has just re-elected Corbyn as leader?

are you going to vote labour then even though you feel so strongly about the anti jewish feeling.

piapiapiano what a wonderful inclusive statement from a party that believes in a broad church of views.

I agree with others anti Semitism is age old and been around in society for far too long. the existence of it is one, the failure to utterly condemn it is something completely different.

no, i am a member, in big nw city, and i wouldn't vote for him.

'All you life long labour supporters who don't support Corbyn, you've been supporting the wrong party so F... O.. we don't want you'

Do the people who say this understand the principles of democracy? This is the bit I don't get. There seems to be a complete discognizance - in order to form a Government, Labour has to have the support of the majority.
If the only people welcome in the movement are those who voted for Corbyn in the leadership campaign, then Labour is likely to be less well represented after the next election than the Lib Dems are now!

Nope. London here.

He's a true socialist. Don't want that back thank you very much

No I shall not vote for Labour while Corbyn is leader of the party. I can not support him in anyway to be PM of this country

Sadly I think Corbyn will be leader in the next general election and will lose. Those MP's that are not in support of him need to work together to gain more membership support so we can get behind a strong opponent. Its pointless trying to put on a united front the public wont buy it and the divisions are too deep but MP's have to get on with their day job and not get caught up in the infighting. We moved on from this in the early 80's we can do it again but it wont be in for a few years yet. I do think that the cracks are starting to show so could be as early as 2018 and we could have another leader if the GE is in 2020 and not called earlier

No, south east.
I am sick of being told to vote Labour because they are not Tories, Labour has relied on party loyalty too long. I want reasons to vote labour other than there not conservatives. No matter how much labour try to distance themselves from Blair he was re-elected under labours watch and with labour loyalty.

I'm really pessimistic - I think Labour will lose the next election badly and he still won't stand down - he'll come out with 'I can't let down the members that voted for me' again. I think he will be in situ at the 2025 election! I think we've got another fifteen years of Conservative rule, the majority of which with a rubbish opposition. It's awful.

enthusiasm and Dredre do you think that any of the current MP's will realise this and actually form a breakaway Real Labour Party?

surely they can see what is happening?

at the moment I think most MP's aren't exactly covering themselves in glory either because they wont come out and denounce things that Corbyn and Momentum are doing for fear of being deselected.

what we need to happen is for a deselected MP to stand in a by election as an independent labour and to get voted in. perhaps if one makes the break others will follow.

I just cannot understand how there is this total disconnect at the moment. if you don't win over people who voted conservative or libdem or ukip in the last election then the result wont be any different from last time.