To think this takes not vaccinating to a whole new level

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DD has a child at school who has cancer. The school sent a letter home asking all parents to please think about giving their child the MMR if they haven't had it and also to inform them immediately if any child was in contact with chicken pox.

One of the mums at the school is still refusing to have her 3DC vaccinated. No health issues it's big pharma/poison/conspiracy theory crap

AIBU at this point to think the school should seek removal of the children and tell the bloody thicko to find another school for them?

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The comparative risks have been known and in the public domain for many years!!

Vaccination - low risk; low herd immunity resulting from low vaccination rates - high risk.

Believe it or not, the Department of Health doesn't spend a lot of money on this for no good reason.

I wish people who said "big pharma" do it because they are into exploiting us to make themselves rich would actually look at the facts (specifically the company accounts).

1 does of the MMR vaccine is around £1.50, and in the UK there are around 750,000 children ever year.

£1.125 million before costs is not a great deal of money compare to new cancer treatments, or treatments for diabetes.

Flu vaccine is different issue because (correct me if I am wrong) people such as me who are at greater risk of negative consequences from flu' can get the jab. Flu is such a complex and ever changing virus that herd immunity is not possible. It's a different virus at least every year.

No probs hollin, I just didn't want any passers by with allergic dc to go passing on the MMR :)

Chemo really wrecks existing immunity. We had to delay DD's MMR because it's live and DH couldn't be in the same house as us if she had it.

Will be having it as soon as possible though.

I predate MMR but the rubella vac I had at school was Mumps and Rubella and I did have measles so was immune when tested in pregnancy.

It is terrifying living with someone on chemo - paranoia about cooking, cleaning and twice daily temperature checks - any temp over 37.5 = straight to A&E without even waiting in the waiting room and canulated instantly to await IV antibiotics in the hope that they can jump on the infection before it kills the patient!

The state absolutely has the moral and legal right to protect children from abusive parents. And exposing children to potentially life threatening illnesses is abuse.

The vaccinations could be administered at school to enforce compliance, without having to remove school place.

I try to avoid children anyway but more so at this time of year due to the nasal spray shedding. Because I work full time and look fine, people don't get it when I avoid sick people

That's interesting Leedy thanks - so there's a good chance I am immune even though I didn't have all the symptoms.

Mathsmum, I'm a fervent pro vaxxer but I don't think it should be done at school against the parents wishes. The child should not be allowed to come to state school. That would be my suggestion.

To those of you not vaccinating for flu can I just point out I am at high risk with flu. If I get flu It can kill me, nearly did once, more often make me very very ill and increase my risk of a serious, life threatening asthma attack and me stopping breathing. Again. Been there, done that and do not want to be lay in a hospital bed knowing I cannot breathe and the panic that comes with it again thanks. Also seeing your heart rate over double the normal rate is pretty fucking terrifying. All from flu.

I get my flu jab every year. DC gets the nasal spray every year and it would be really really helpful if everyone who gets offered the flu jab for free - esp young kids who spread the bugs more readily - I'd be eternally grateful.

You get the joy of reducing your risk of 10+ days off work caring for a sick child or yourself and I get the joy of a massively reduced risk of complications inc secondary infections, pneumonia being the main one and/or and asthma attack that results in hospital admission.

Thanks, twat. People need to consider the consequences.

I'm. Pro vax
However I respect others choose different my and this their choice and they shouldn't be bullied into it by others.

There are constantly things like stomach bugs and bad colds and chicken pox and tonsillitis and many many more that go round schools. It's hardly a small handful of unvaccinated kids that are the only problem.

My dds haven't had the flu vaccine and I'm unsure about the cervical cancer jab too and I don't see why others think they shouldn't be allowed school...

I do hope these people have done their research and I do believe that up to date unbiased info should be available on these things.

But we can't start taking choices away from people can we.

The state absolutely has the moral and legal right to protect children from abusive parents. And exposing children to potentially life threatening illnesses is abuse.

BUT as someone has pointed out upthread some children can have terrible, sometimes even fatal, unforeseeable reactions to vaccinations.

Saying that, the chances of a parent being able to accurately predict that to are extremely slim, so it would be unlikely to happen more if vaxxing were mandatory. I think perhaps you should be able to choose not to vaccinated your child (as you're also choosing not to risk them having the vaccinations), so long as you accept that that choice means you're also accepting them not being in mainstream education.

...although I can see how that might mean that choice is only really available to perhaps the wealthier as they could choose to pay for alternative schooling or home school, neither of which are really a choice for those poorer. So perhaps it wouldn't really represent a choice at all....

I'm still erring on the side of no vax = no school place, but I recognise it's more complicated than I thought.

The state absolutely has the moral and legal right to protect children from abusive parents. And exposing children to potentially life threatening illnesses is abuse.

BUT as someone has pointed out upthread some children can have terrible, sometimes even fatal, unforeseeable reactions to vaccinations.

Saying that, the chances of a parent being able to accurately predict that to are extremely slim, so it would be unlikely to happen more if vaxxing were mandatory. I think perhaps you should be able to choose not to vaccinated your child (as you're also choosing not to risk them having the vaccinations), so long as you accept that that choice means you're also accepting them not being in mainstream education.

...although I can see how that might mean that choice is only really available to perhaps the wealthier as they could choose to pay for alternative schooling or home school, neither of which are really a choice for those poorer. So perhaps it wouldn't really represent a choice at all....

I'm still erring on the side of no vax = no school place, but I recognise it's more complicated than I thought.

Shit, multi-post, sorry.

If you aired that view to me in RL mathsmum I think I'd tell you to fuck off. To the far side of fuck.

But instead I'll just scroll down now and breathe :)

When my daughter was younger and in reception one of her class mates had cancer. Letters were sent home stating that after a month off school she'll be spending some time in class one particular week and to keep any children home that were Ill as she was going through chemo.
One of the boys dropped his mother right in it. He was asked to take his jumper off and put an apron on for an activity. He said his mother told him he wasn't allowed. He had come out in chicken pox which were at that time on his arms, body and legs. She told him to stay covered up and not tell anyone as she had to work.
Selfish bitch. The little girl was sent home in tears as she wanted to see her friends, meanwhile the boys mother tried to refused to pick him up as she was busy. That didn't go down well.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog You probably don't tell people because in your heart you're ashamed, and you should be.

Giles. Vax/no vax is not a choice issue because you risk other people's lives if you don't vaccinate (where there is no medical reason not to). Unvaccinated should be refused a school place unless a medical exemption applies.

As for injections my 13 month old is having hers on Thursday.
The whole autism argument really winds me up. One of my children has autism. Someone looked at me a gast a few days back when I said the baby is having her mmr this week.
I told them the usual that the study was bullshit etc but also added that even if it was to be proven (which it won't as it's not true) I'd rather a child with autism over a dead one. No thanks.
EVERYONE should have their injections unless medically unable to. I also agree with no vax, no school. Tough titty. It's too much of a risk to others.

Agree 100% home school if you don't want to vaccinate

Medical intervention is always choice. Has to be

Twatbadging, I was very touched when ds paid at uni to have his flu jab last year, as I have an auto immune disease which means I can be knocked for six by getting anything horrid (lost the first three months of this year to shingles, vit D deficiency and a virus). Dh gets one as he is diabetic, and I also pay to have one (but am in Belgium, so paying is normal).

Besides vaccines aren't 100 percent. And alot of things start out with cold symptoms. By the time you realise it's more it's too late u have been in school for up to a week maybe longer.