To think this takes not vaccinating to a whole new level

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DD has a child at school who has cancer. The school sent a letter home asking all parents to please think about giving their child the MMR if they haven't had it and also to inform them immediately if any child was in contact with chicken pox.

One of the mums at the school is still refusing to have her 3DC vaccinated. No health issues it's big pharma/poison/conspiracy theory crap

AIBU at this point to think the school should seek removal of the children and tell the bloody thicko to find another school for them?

Bumbley True - but again, we do this in other areas of life. You don't want to take any of the jobs or training on offer? The state stops/reduces your benefits and, concomitantly, your choices. You choose not to vaccinate and to increase the risk to other children? Not in a publicly funded and attended school - so you can home educate, set up a special school for anti vaccinated children, move to another country etc etc...

As a thought experiment wouldn't it be interesting to see what happened if we put all unvaccinated children in a school together. Then when they get sick and ask for doctors help we say "well, we guarantee any drugs are 100% effective so we can't give you any"

Watch their principles melt before their eyes.

I wouldn't mind. And Vitamin A is marvellous at preventing measles becoming life-threatening.

"And Vitamin A is marvellous at preventing measles becoming life-threatening"

I heard there's this amazing thing called vaccines that stops you getting it altogether!

Vitamin a? That was a joke yes? ( i take vitamins but that was a joke surely )

You know I read something pretty striking recently - that childhood mortality had improved exponentially since the measles vaccine, the reason being that if you got measles you might well survive it but it crushes the immune system so much that the next thing would kill you...

I just find it incomprehensible that anti vaxxers

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Incomprehensible that anti vaxxers would want to risk that. Not only that - make it more likely that other kids would risk that. And the disabilities that things like measles cause.

Kali- call the world health organisation and ask if it's a joke:)

Schiff yes I heard that too and it turned out not to be true

I'll be sure to be really thAnkful of that fact then if i get measles ( though if the measles didn't get my other illness probably would!)

I read something striking too - that having measles makes you less likely to suffer asthma.I find it incomprehensible that people would want to risk that protection when asthma kills 1400 people a year.

Nice that you're so callous about childhood death and disease Winchester. Talking about infants getting pneumonia and the like.

Link to the study jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.long

Paranoid - no idea what you mean. So your sarcasm is a bit lost.

Many children have been damaged by vaacines so a parent takes a risk.

And many more children have been damaged by the illnesses that vaccines prevent, so parents take a greater risk by not vaccinating.

No one has the right to impose a medical intervention on someone else's child.

And no-one has the right to impose the risk of death or very serious illness on someone else's child by leaving their unvaccinated child to infect the immunocompromised. I would suggest that equally no-one has the right by refusing vaccination to impose the risk of death or serious illness on their own child.

Gosh does it really win? Maybe that's part of the reason we have an asthma crisis now. Very serious illness. My ds is at risk of asthma actually so I had better let him have chicken pox in the usual way.

Was referring to your msg on the athsma.

Considering kids with cancer are not to come into contact with those who have had the MMR for a short period afterwards I would be keeping that child off school whilst the MMRs were being given instead of keeping most of the school off if you see what I mean. Not that the school have mentioned this. Its still up to parents to care for their kids not everyone elses.

as is illustrated by the very sad case of the little boy with cancer who was removed from hospital against the doctors' advice and was made a ward of court. Parents think they have the right to decide on their child's medical treatment but, ultimately, that is not the case

Are you referring to Ashya King? He seems to have done very well on the treatment his parents sought for him. Why should the state as a regular thing take take precedent over parents? Does the state cry more than the parents when a child dies or is brain damaged?

Atenco, I think this quote refers to Neon Roberts - who I think was last heard of doing well after receiving the cancer treatment his mother tried to prevent. The state does have a right to decide on medical treatment in some cases, for example where parents are refusing blood transfusions.

Just because someone reads something interesting does not make it true.

Facts and trashy magazine spreads are NOT the same thing.

I have an aunt who is partially sighted and deaf after contracting measles as a child. Her life wasn't threatened but she has been left with the consequences of contracting that disease for the rest of her life.

I have a health condition which means that the flu jab makes me really ( bedridden for three months last year). So,if I had real flu, I assume I would be more poorly.

Given that the nasal flu vaccine my daughter should have contains the live virus (unlike the adult one), the shedding could potentially hospitalise me.

So,if she doesn't have the vaccine due to MY health issues, not hers, should she go to school?

There could be an argument that having the nasal vaccine would prevent my daughter and me getting flu anyway, so we would be safer in the long run.

But children often feel unwell and have mild flu after the nasal vaccine, because of it being a live virus. I fail to see the logic in making her I'll, to try and prevent her being ill. So I asked the practice nurse and looked on the NHS website.

Apparently, the reason kids are getting this vaccine, is not primarily for their own benefit. It is because kids are major spreaders of the flu, and are likely to come into contact with grandparents, many of whom are refusing the flu jab. So many people eligible for the jab are refusing it, so they're trying to prevent the spread of it in the first place.

There is no way that I am giving my child a mild dose of flu to protect people who haven't bothered protecting themselves.

So,could anyone tell me if my child should be allowed in school or not?

I'm not that old either. Funnily enough I can remember the pain and sheer terror of being held down and given a lumbar puncture and being away from my parents (they didn't let them stay back then) alone in the dark at night in an isolation room for weeks whilst I recovered from encephalitis. I was 5 years old FFS!

And now I live every day in pain. I'm deaf, have constant tinnitus and excruciating migraines that are 'aftershocks' of the encephalitis and leave me wishing to die.

And yet the DWP does not consider me disabled by rubella 'enough' to warrant any kind of support. Neither do they support my being immunocompromised - no, I cannot just 'make a choice to not go out'. I have to live and eat and pay my taxes and rent and bills like everyone else.

Do you honestly think transplant patients are given a second chance just to sit at home?! Fuck that, I think I'd rather have gone blind!

So for those of you banging on about vaccines injuries, unless you have had a documented case of an adverse reaction to a vaccine in you or a DC of yours, stop and think about the type of life you could be setting them up for instead. I won't try and suggest not vaccinating will mean certain death, but complications are common, and they hit hard.

I think it speaks volumes that by the time I was a teenager, when all the other girls were screaming and crying whilst in the queue for their vaccines, I was at the front of the line rolling my sleeve up in anticipation.

I cannot begin to describe how painful and terrifying my experience was.

I wouldn't wish my health as it is now on anyone.

Ill not I'll

I would suggest that equally no-one has the right by refusing vaccination to impose the risk of death or serious illness on their own child.

Exactly this. What's the expression? - 'your liberty to swing your fists ends just where my nose begins.'

I am not - and will never be - for compulsory vaccination. I can't be arsed to engaged in the debate either. However, I am infuriated with comments from people like headofthehive re: making choices about "going out" when you're immunosuppressed. There are many people living with a variation of diseases that will mean they are immunosuppressed for their entire lives. I take my chance that selfish arseholes won't take an infectious chicken poxy child to the cinema when I'm there. I accept the risk to live my life. I still think they're selfish as heck. However, I get pissed off when people on MN go on about how people like me are meant to choose to stay inside. Do we hide away and never work or shop? I'd like to think that people are as kind as possible but when I see comments like that, I realise that many people don't give a shit and expect people like me to hide away.