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To think my bloody mother should JUST STOP

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MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 16:42

This is SO outing but I'm bloody wound up and can't be arsed to name change and I don't bloody care.

Background. My little brother got a job in London recently. He's only young, just out of his teens, first time away from home, low salary initially (less than £15,000) like an internship but paid in an industry lots of young people want to get into. A friend of a friend of mine got him an interview.

He's my mum's last 'baby' as she calls it, my other brother and I are long gone. Other brother lived locally to her but is married and has a baby. (In fact I got out as soon as I could but that's another story)

We grew up on a very small town in a rural county and my mum has lived their all her life, after divorcing my dad is now with someone who has also lived there all their lives ( not judgement; context)

Little brother is now living with my partner and I in our tiny flat. He sleeps on the sofa that pulls out into a bed, you have to walk through the living area to get to the front door and kitchen, the only bathroom is an en suite so if he's at work early he has to come through our bed room to shower etc. I love having him around again but clearly it is a temporary solution. He's quite clueless with housework, needs help to change a duvet, put a wash on etc- trying to teach him as clearly my mother hadn't bothered.

Mum encouraged him taking the job, big boasts on Facebook etc etc. I said he could stay with us and start looking for places to live (houses-shares) she said she'd help him out with the deposit had my dad said he'd chip in too. So we were thinking he could start looking for somewhere straight away- but he's need the help- most places you need deposit and first months debt upfront obviously. My brother has enough money for tube travel while he's here until first paycheck but no more. So we're feeding him. I was happy to do that until mum said she actually had no money at all and couldn't help him so he'd have to just stay with us until whenever. He was already on the bus down at that point. Prior to this she'd been inundating me with houses he could live in, saying she'd help him out financially, then she found this 'co living' type place which is like a posh student halls for young professionals with a gym etc. Great, but it's a £1000 a month- ridiculous. Brother doesn't earn enough to qualify unless she's his guarantor, which surely can't happen. (He doesn't earn enough anyway to live on with that ludicrous rent but she's made whimsy flimsy noises about 'helping'.) She doesn't work, apart from the odd shift when she feels like it- this is not because she's well off, but because she fell out with her colleagues, took a year out funded by money from a house sale, dicked around doing lots of mini breaks and not a lot else and realised she didn't like working that much, and didn't go back. She works 8 hours a week. No (real) health problems. She's 53. Nothing to retire on. Her partner works all hours to support everything. My mum has taken out numerous loans and credit cards to appear wealthy to her friends and on Facebook- it's all smoke and mirrors.

So my brother is here, three and a half weeks in, job going really well, she's dripping bullshit in his ear about how he won't be happy in a house share, telling him these horror stories she's read online, so he should go into this living place. It's madness He won't be able to pay the rent, be isolated from any kind of social life as will have zero funds, and he'll have to move back home- call me cynical but I think that's what she's angling for.

She was also meant to contribute some food money to us- hasn't happened. My Dad has given us his share. We have outgoings and high rent and are feeling the squeeze. My brother being there isn't harming our relationship exactly, we all get on well, they bond a lot over the PlayStation etc, but Christ I miss just relaxing in peace and talking about the day with eachother just us. Not DTD much because I'm concious of my little brother sleeping just behind the door! No opportunity to have private conversations, just be silly with eachother, argue if we need to, you get the gist!

My mum's sole 'contribution' so far has been to send us a salami she got on holiday and a jar of pickle Confused after saying she was going to send us 'some goodies'.

Anyway my mum and I have history- we have never got on- she has chipped and chipped away at me all my life and it sounds awful but I DREAM of going NC. There's history of what I think is munchausan by proxy, fabricated illness.... But that's only with me- shes totally different with my brothers, and part of that is because they 'behave' themselves by doing what she wants/holding her up as head matriarch.

So tell me to get a grip or I'm over thinking it but I cannot help but feel she's a) trying to put strain on my relationship by allowing this to happen in the first place without the financial support she promised

b) trying to sabotage my brother's long term future here by setting him up to tank it financially and have to come back home.

Caught between a rock and a hard place as he hates going against what she wants, and won't hear a bad word said against her. He can't see her manipulation.

Added to this, I've lived in London for five years. I KNOW it's daunting getting into a 'good' house share, making friends, working out your budget, sometimes eating toast until payday- for me these things were part of my early days here- WHY does she think she knows better?!!

Sorry if it's long/boring..,, I needed to vent. And it's too early for a glass of wine Sad

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MadHattersWineParty · 06/10/2016 00:15

I am smarting at the fact that we paid a month's rent and bills of nigh on £1200 on the 30th and we've been tripping around a man-child in a tiny flat for that ludicrous can you tell I hate London rent price!!

I love him dearly, I do, and have always spoiled and indulged him when I've been home or he's visited us briefly so possibly made a rod for my own back but never thought I'd be in this situation! DP not happy either. I like the suggestion of loud sex any sex Grin

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QueenLizIII · 06/10/2016 00:15

Yes but the trouble is if we ask for a third, he won't have enough to actually move- he should get approx £1100, (he's done a few hours overtime) a sensible house share budget around here (good links to his work, nice/affordable area) would cost £500 a month approx- and he'd need the same for the deposit.

I am glad you see that. My mum did this to me. Charged me a third of my salary off a starting salary of £15k. This was many years ago when rents were cheaper too.

Because she took so much rent from me and I had student loans and fares to pay, I could not get a deposit together and couldnt leave. So got stuck in my mums house for a long time.

When I pointed this out on a "shall i charge my adult dc rent" thread, I got my arse handed to me. I was told I wanted a free ride for resenting the rent charges. I was like Confused. But I was a scrounger wanting a free ride and it was fit behaviour for my mother to take a third of my salary and I was told I was ungrateful for resenting the charges and I just should have left. but I COULD NOT LEAVE with her taking so much in the first place. It was so circular but I was in the wrong.

but the truth was as you see it: in taking so much rent from me, where exactly was I going to get the means to pay for a months rent and deposit in advance with an overdraft to pay off and a crap salary? Magic it from thin air.

I am glad you have the common sense to see that if you start taking rent, he cant leave as he wont afford it.

In terms of places, your brother cant like living with you in cramped situation.

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-44719233.html

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56390875.html

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56386927.html

For some examples. There are places cheaper than £500 a month. Just help him look.

It is interesting to see that rooms in shared houses are cheaper than £500 today. My mum charged me £400 and then put it up to £500 a month to live at home: in 2002!!!! But I was an ungrateful scrounger. Interesting.

QueenLizIII · 06/10/2016 00:16

Or start having very loud sex and he will leave quick smart out of embarrassment Grin

theworstthreadspinner · 06/10/2016 00:38

OP, while I completely sympathise with your DB's stupid mistakes & laziness, one thing that jumps out at me…you don't think this could be all part of your DM's plan to help him 'fail'? If he has no idea how to make it in the "real world", he'll soon think it easier to go back to live with her? Just a thought. Obviously he HAS to learn, but have you thought about bucking him up to that & maybe helping with that while making it clear that your endgame is to get him out to his own place (but nicely phrase it as making it easier for him when he lives somewhere else, & to make him less anxious)? He does sound very very anxious while you sound very tough! Grin Obviously it's a good thing that you are, but your DM sounds so awful that I hope he stays in London (hopefully away from you) rather than go back to her!

Sunshineonacloudyday · 06/10/2016 00:41

OP you may find this an interesting read:

Oedipus complex, in psychoanalytic theory, a desire for sexual involvement with the parent of the opposite sex and a concomitant sense of rivalry with the parent of the same sex; a crucial stage in the normal developmental process. Sigmund Freud introduced the concept in his Interpretation of Dreams. In the Oedipus complex, a boy is fixated on his mother and competes with his father for maternal attention. The opposite, the attraction of a girl to her father and rivalry with her mother, is sometimes called the Electra complex.

MadHattersWineParty · 06/10/2016 08:08

Hmm. That's definitely an interesting read. She certainty has some kind of complex.

My brother won't hear a bad word says against her though, it's almost likes he's totally blind to everything. He loves the job so I think he will stay.

She's 'getting' a grandchild (her words!) from my other brother at the end inmates the year so she reckons that'll keep her occupied. She's got severe empty nest syndrome, apparently.

QueenLiz thanks, that was counter-productive and quite mean of your mum I think. I want him to move out ASAP but I'm fully aware that he'll need money to do so. No point taking a third of his wages and moaning that he's still cluttering up my living room floor in a month's time!

If I see an Urban Outfitters bag in the interim though I will go spare Grin

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AcrossthePond55 · 06/10/2016 14:06

If you want to charge him 'rent', specify that it will go into an account for deposits and that when he finds a suitable place you will give it back to him to pay those deposits. Sort of a forced savings, as it were.

That way you can be assured that he'll have the money to move out.

MadHattersWineParty · 06/10/2016 20:01

He went round to view a house-share tonight, and he really liked it, so I'm praying they like him too abs then he can move in at the end of October! Rent reasonable for the area and he'll be close by.

The address is on my way home from work so I might pop in and beg them to take him on Grin Grin

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