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To think my bloody mother should JUST STOP

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MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 16:42

This is SO outing but I'm bloody wound up and can't be arsed to name change and I don't bloody care.

Background. My little brother got a job in London recently. He's only young, just out of his teens, first time away from home, low salary initially (less than £15,000) like an internship but paid in an industry lots of young people want to get into. A friend of a friend of mine got him an interview.

He's my mum's last 'baby' as she calls it, my other brother and I are long gone. Other brother lived locally to her but is married and has a baby. (In fact I got out as soon as I could but that's another story)

We grew up on a very small town in a rural county and my mum has lived their all her life, after divorcing my dad is now with someone who has also lived there all their lives ( not judgement; context)

Little brother is now living with my partner and I in our tiny flat. He sleeps on the sofa that pulls out into a bed, you have to walk through the living area to get to the front door and kitchen, the only bathroom is an en suite so if he's at work early he has to come through our bed room to shower etc. I love having him around again but clearly it is a temporary solution. He's quite clueless with housework, needs help to change a duvet, put a wash on etc- trying to teach him as clearly my mother hadn't bothered.

Mum encouraged him taking the job, big boasts on Facebook etc etc. I said he could stay with us and start looking for places to live (houses-shares) she said she'd help him out with the deposit had my dad said he'd chip in too. So we were thinking he could start looking for somewhere straight away- but he's need the help- most places you need deposit and first months debt upfront obviously. My brother has enough money for tube travel while he's here until first paycheck but no more. So we're feeding him. I was happy to do that until mum said she actually had no money at all and couldn't help him so he'd have to just stay with us until whenever. He was already on the bus down at that point. Prior to this she'd been inundating me with houses he could live in, saying she'd help him out financially, then she found this 'co living' type place which is like a posh student halls for young professionals with a gym etc. Great, but it's a £1000 a month- ridiculous. Brother doesn't earn enough to qualify unless she's his guarantor, which surely can't happen. (He doesn't earn enough anyway to live on with that ludicrous rent but she's made whimsy flimsy noises about 'helping'.) She doesn't work, apart from the odd shift when she feels like it- this is not because she's well off, but because she fell out with her colleagues, took a year out funded by money from a house sale, dicked around doing lots of mini breaks and not a lot else and realised she didn't like working that much, and didn't go back. She works 8 hours a week. No (real) health problems. She's 53. Nothing to retire on. Her partner works all hours to support everything. My mum has taken out numerous loans and credit cards to appear wealthy to her friends and on Facebook- it's all smoke and mirrors.

So my brother is here, three and a half weeks in, job going really well, she's dripping bullshit in his ear about how he won't be happy in a house share, telling him these horror stories she's read online, so he should go into this living place. It's madness He won't be able to pay the rent, be isolated from any kind of social life as will have zero funds, and he'll have to move back home- call me cynical but I think that's what she's angling for.

She was also meant to contribute some food money to us- hasn't happened. My Dad has given us his share. We have outgoings and high rent and are feeling the squeeze. My brother being there isn't harming our relationship exactly, we all get on well, they bond a lot over the PlayStation etc, but Christ I miss just relaxing in peace and talking about the day with eachother just us. Not DTD much because I'm concious of my little brother sleeping just behind the door! No opportunity to have private conversations, just be silly with eachother, argue if we need to, you get the gist!

My mum's sole 'contribution' so far has been to send us a salami she got on holiday and a jar of pickle Confused after saying she was going to send us 'some goodies'.

Anyway my mum and I have history- we have never got on- she has chipped and chipped away at me all my life and it sounds awful but I DREAM of going NC. There's history of what I think is munchausan by proxy, fabricated illness.... But that's only with me- shes totally different with my brothers, and part of that is because they 'behave' themselves by doing what she wants/holding her up as head matriarch.

So tell me to get a grip or I'm over thinking it but I cannot help but feel she's a) trying to put strain on my relationship by allowing this to happen in the first place without the financial support she promised

b) trying to sabotage my brother's long term future here by setting him up to tank it financially and have to come back home.

Caught between a rock and a hard place as he hates going against what she wants, and won't hear a bad word said against her. He can't see her manipulation.

Added to this, I've lived in London for five years. I KNOW it's daunting getting into a 'good' house share, making friends, working out your budget, sometimes eating toast until payday- for me these things were part of my early days here- WHY does she think she knows better?!!

Sorry if it's long/boring..,, I needed to vent. And it's too early for a glass of wine Sad

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WipsGlitter · 24/09/2016 08:28

He's probably overwhelmed at all the changes in his life. Yes he's an "adult" but he's still young in the grand scheme of things.

MadHattersWineParty · 24/09/2016 09:05

I think the crying was definitely him being overwhelmed but hopefully we did get through to him. Trouble is can't say anything too negative to him about my mum because his relationship with her is very different to mine.

Dad is being helpful and makes far more sensible suggestions than my mum does, so hopefully can get my little brother to listen to his line of thinking!

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MiddleClassProblem · 24/09/2016 09:27

Fingers crossed and hopefully after a little bit of time away from her he will gain some independence and even start to enjoy it

Solina · 24/09/2016 09:31

He needs to grow up and make his own decisions and I think you need to stop giving him suggestions.
He is at a age where he should make his own mistakes and then work through them!

I am only few years older than your brother and when I was 20 I moved to UK from another country and didnt sit around waiting for others to make decisions for me nor did anyone give any financial support for me!

Im sorry but he is an adult and needs to do this on his own.

IJustLostTheGame · 24/09/2016 09:34

Could he consider being a guradian?
You get much much much cheaper rents if you do 16 hours voluntary community work a month.
The lease terms are different to normal private renting ones but I know a couple of people who have survived pretty well on low pay in London by being guardians.

flumpybear · 24/09/2016 09:40

Not read all the replies but if this were me I'd

Tell him he's got three months to save up
Not take rent
Ask him to cook x2 per week and pay for it
Get solid contributions from mum and dad for his deposit
Help him find a place asap

He needs boundaries as does your mum

MatrixReloaded · 24/09/2016 11:53

I don't understand why your mum would be expected to contribute food money for an adult who's on a reasonable income. She works 8 hours a week.

OurBlanche · 24/09/2016 11:55

Because, Matrix, she said she would, when she encouraged her DS to take the job/apprenticeship. The whole family said they would chip in to help him out, geth him started.!

MadHattersWineParty · 24/09/2016 12:07

She was supposed to have had money from a house sale/and or bank loan so she could work very part time hours, she bragged about it enough times with posts about holidays/meals out.

Turns out she's frittered it. She did say there'd be money to help out DB when he decided to take the job. It was only when he was already on his way that there suddenly wasn't.

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MadHattersWineParty · 05/10/2016 20:05

😭I don't care if no one else connects but it's my venting thread Grin

my brother is still there... Sleeping on the living room floor on the crappy pull out sofa thing. And my mum has stopped bothering to ask how we are, how we're getting on, thanks for still having him while he saves/finds somewhere.

Never felt so unappreciated in my life.

She thinks it's 'funny' that we have acquired a fully grown child. It bloody isn't it. I'm regularly on the Wine

My Dad came down for the day and set him up a Spare room account to get a room, he went to one veiwing but didn't like it. Got a bolkocking for not doing a thing a round the house so he begrudgingly did some washing up and bought us a packet of biscuits but is back to normal now!!

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Lovewineandchocs · 05/10/2016 20:27

Oh no! Has he at least given up on the idea of that "young professionals" place your mum was on about? He is an adult and should be sorting himself out. Your mum is never going to be any help, is she? Could you get him to set aside a day to view a few places and go with him?

MadHattersWineParty · 05/10/2016 20:50

Yes thank God he's given up on then, because he went there and it was all unfinished and the area was a shithole Grin

He's messaging a few places so I just hope one comes off.... It's the not knowing when this will end that's the worst thing.

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AntiHop · 05/10/2016 20:53

A practical suggestion. Could your brother find a room as a lodger? You usually don't have to pay a deposit.

MadHattersWineParty · 05/10/2016 20:54

He's got the deposit now as he's had £1100 first wages and my Dad said he'd pay the bloody thing. HEs trying to find a 'cool house share'. Lodger is a good shout though. The boy needs a good shake. I didn't want to be his bloody mother!

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AcrossthePond55 · 05/10/2016 23:19

Have you considered telling him that since he isn't paying rent (because you want him to save for deposits) his contribution to the household will consist of certain household chores? Begrudgingly or not, he can run the hoover, mop the kitchen floor, and empty the household bins and take the trash out weekly (or whatever you deem fitting).

JaniceBattersby · 05/10/2016 23:30

I'd be giving him a realistic deadline to leave or else there's no way he'll be moving out.

Maybe 6 more weeks? If you can stand it for that long?

I think at some point you've just got to chuck the fledgling out of the nest and let them fly for themselves. It might help him to clarify his thoughts a bit if he's got a deadline. Someone's got to start treating him like an adult.

Your mum sounds like a complete loon and I wouldn't be mincing my words and trying to protect your brother from seeing what she's really like. She's giving him unrealistic expectations so she can boast to her mates, and expecting everyone else to fund them.

MadHattersWineParty · 05/10/2016 23:32

Yeah, I need to get him to do more. He doesnt seem to realise what actually needs doing even though he's watched us doing everything so I think I need to explicitly tell him he needs to do his share. And that does not mean cooking and using every bloody utensil and then not clearing up as you've 'done your bit' Angry

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MillionToOneChances · 05/10/2016 23:33

You need to a) force him to do his share of chores and b) take housekeeping off him for as long as he's living with you, even if you then choose to give it back to him when he moves out. Otherwise he'll have a big wad of cash burning a hole in his pocket when he passes Urban Outfitters, and he won't be motivated to find a flat share while he's living rent free with a personal maid Hmm

MillionToOneChances · 05/10/2016 23:34

Cross posted :) My kids are young teens and do more than he does!

MadHattersWineParty · 05/10/2016 23:40

He bloody loves Urban Outfitters and recently discovered London Nike Town...,

He hasn't spent TOO much on himself but def a bit. Mum has gone quiet with me, not heard a sausage from her.

I moved out when he was only 8 so had no idea he couldn't really do anything for himself. Best laid plans I know but I'd hate to think I'd bring my kids up to be this useless! He can now change a duvet and work a washing machine though.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 05/10/2016 23:42

It is so nice at your place he feels he can be fussy. Make it less nice.

Start charging him lodger rates, have noisy sex, take ages in the bathroom when he's in a hurry, make him buy food and do housework.

All while being super nice and reasonable, just pointing out that the free board and lodgings time period has ended so now he's a lodger with lodger conditions. Maybe even tell him explicitly you are teaching him how to be a good lodger to make.the next step easier.

I'm sure he will soon decide there are better places to be a lodger.

GingerbreadLatteToGo · 06/10/2016 00:00

TWENTY. 20 years old. Fuck me.

For the love of little fish, just do him & yourself a favour & tell him he's got until the end of the month, then it's back to Mummy's if he hasn't found somewhere. As you said, many of us were young & finding flatshares in London well before then!

He might be your Mum's baby, but he's not 'a' baby.

puglife15 · 06/10/2016 00:01

Oh god OP what a nightmare!

Definitely give him a deadline to be out, maybe when your rent is next due. Maybe end of month. Say after that time he can stay for another month but you'll be forced to charge him and tell him how much - I suggest 50% of your outgoings (rent, bills, food).

In the meantime have a chat with your partner and work out your 4 least favourite chores around the house and how often they need doing. Give the list to your brother to do so at least there's some benefit to him being there.

I'd also start making things a bit less comfortable for him. Don't cook his favourite meals, dont tidy his stuff if you are, give him set times he can use the bathroom eg evenings before 9 only.

dowhatnow · 06/10/2016 00:06

Time to get harder with him. Stop hunting. Tell him directly that it's time to go.

dowhatnow · 06/10/2016 00:06

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