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To think my bloody mother should JUST STOP

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MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 16:42

This is SO outing but I'm bloody wound up and can't be arsed to name change and I don't bloody care.

Background. My little brother got a job in London recently. He's only young, just out of his teens, first time away from home, low salary initially (less than £15,000) like an internship but paid in an industry lots of young people want to get into. A friend of a friend of mine got him an interview.

He's my mum's last 'baby' as she calls it, my other brother and I are long gone. Other brother lived locally to her but is married and has a baby. (In fact I got out as soon as I could but that's another story)

We grew up on a very small town in a rural county and my mum has lived their all her life, after divorcing my dad is now with someone who has also lived there all their lives ( not judgement; context)

Little brother is now living with my partner and I in our tiny flat. He sleeps on the sofa that pulls out into a bed, you have to walk through the living area to get to the front door and kitchen, the only bathroom is an en suite so if he's at work early he has to come through our bed room to shower etc. I love having him around again but clearly it is a temporary solution. He's quite clueless with housework, needs help to change a duvet, put a wash on etc- trying to teach him as clearly my mother hadn't bothered.

Mum encouraged him taking the job, big boasts on Facebook etc etc. I said he could stay with us and start looking for places to live (houses-shares) she said she'd help him out with the deposit had my dad said he'd chip in too. So we were thinking he could start looking for somewhere straight away- but he's need the help- most places you need deposit and first months debt upfront obviously. My brother has enough money for tube travel while he's here until first paycheck but no more. So we're feeding him. I was happy to do that until mum said she actually had no money at all and couldn't help him so he'd have to just stay with us until whenever. He was already on the bus down at that point. Prior to this she'd been inundating me with houses he could live in, saying she'd help him out financially, then she found this 'co living' type place which is like a posh student halls for young professionals with a gym etc. Great, but it's a £1000 a month- ridiculous. Brother doesn't earn enough to qualify unless she's his guarantor, which surely can't happen. (He doesn't earn enough anyway to live on with that ludicrous rent but she's made whimsy flimsy noises about 'helping'.) She doesn't work, apart from the odd shift when she feels like it- this is not because she's well off, but because she fell out with her colleagues, took a year out funded by money from a house sale, dicked around doing lots of mini breaks and not a lot else and realised she didn't like working that much, and didn't go back. She works 8 hours a week. No (real) health problems. She's 53. Nothing to retire on. Her partner works all hours to support everything. My mum has taken out numerous loans and credit cards to appear wealthy to her friends and on Facebook- it's all smoke and mirrors.

So my brother is here, three and a half weeks in, job going really well, she's dripping bullshit in his ear about how he won't be happy in a house share, telling him these horror stories she's read online, so he should go into this living place. It's madness He won't be able to pay the rent, be isolated from any kind of social life as will have zero funds, and he'll have to move back home- call me cynical but I think that's what she's angling for.

She was also meant to contribute some food money to us- hasn't happened. My Dad has given us his share. We have outgoings and high rent and are feeling the squeeze. My brother being there isn't harming our relationship exactly, we all get on well, they bond a lot over the PlayStation etc, but Christ I miss just relaxing in peace and talking about the day with eachother just us. Not DTD much because I'm concious of my little brother sleeping just behind the door! No opportunity to have private conversations, just be silly with eachother, argue if we need to, you get the gist!

My mum's sole 'contribution' so far has been to send us a salami she got on holiday and a jar of pickle Confused after saying she was going to send us 'some goodies'.

Anyway my mum and I have history- we have never got on- she has chipped and chipped away at me all my life and it sounds awful but I DREAM of going NC. There's history of what I think is munchausan by proxy, fabricated illness.... But that's only with me- shes totally different with my brothers, and part of that is because they 'behave' themselves by doing what she wants/holding her up as head matriarch.

So tell me to get a grip or I'm over thinking it but I cannot help but feel she's a) trying to put strain on my relationship by allowing this to happen in the first place without the financial support she promised

b) trying to sabotage my brother's long term future here by setting him up to tank it financially and have to come back home.

Caught between a rock and a hard place as he hates going against what she wants, and won't hear a bad word said against her. He can't see her manipulation.

Added to this, I've lived in London for five years. I KNOW it's daunting getting into a 'good' house share, making friends, working out your budget, sometimes eating toast until payday- for me these things were part of my early days here- WHY does she think she knows better?!!

Sorry if it's long/boring..,, I needed to vent. And it's too early for a glass of wine Sad

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Greyponcho · 23/09/2016 17:21

I'm with easterholidays about you DM trying to exert some sort of control over you - she's actually trapped you, your DP and DB in a situation based on her lies quite frankly, and if that isn't controlling, I don't know what is.
But as others have said, cut her out of the equation now - she's not contributing like she said she would, so has no say in the matter. You'll need to reassure your bro that thousands of people manage to cohabit without disaster, if they didn't, universities would be empty!
Does his work place have an internal advertising board he can post on? He may find other people are doing city weeks/home at weekend arrangements who may be able to advise on where to look, or someone may have a room to let.
But you're a lovely sister, you'll just have to help him grow a set of balls when it comes to where your DM is concern

Clarinet1 · 23/09/2016 17:30

I agree with PPs that you sound like a great sister and your partner is being great too.

Leaving aside the issues of DM, if you don't mind having DB around, is there anyway the three of you could afford to move to a larger place in the medium term if he contributed? ie a 2 bedroom where the only bathroom isn't en suite?

Also, how long is his job going to last? What is likely to happen at that point?

MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 17:31

KungFu that's exactly what I feel is going on- thanks for putting thoughts so eloquently Smile her behaviour towards me has always been so hard to pin down to the point where I feel I can actually know what it is ages trying to do, if that makes sense. Or I'd sound mad trying to explain it to anyone else, anyway.

Thank you leopard. He is very young for his age- we've all babies him, there are big age gaps and I was 11 when he was a gorgeous bouncing baby. Hard to accept that he's grown up sometimes, I guess. When I was not much than a year older than him I went on my own to go and work in South East Asia!

KindDogs I think I can hold out for a little longer. I know we're doing A Good Thing which helps! Just hope he can stick it out. Although if he did the washing up without being reminded that'd be even better Grin

Jessie it's about 150 miles away from 'home' and not commutable, u think she'd secretly love him to 'fail' in the Big Smoke (but outwardly appear oh so supportive, of course) and just come back home and work in a bar again and live with her. I knew she wouldn't want to 'give him up'.

Oh, he's feeling some sort of pressure, he must have been talking to my mum, there's a cryptic Facebook post about trying to reach a descision/be happy etc. It's not about the job because he's been really happy about that.

I hope mum hasn't been dropping poison in his ear about how we want rid of him Sad

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MiddleClassProblem · 23/09/2016 17:35

Post on her FB wall that you are struggling to cover the costs for him and it would be a big help if she could give something, anything, towards his living costs until he gets paid Grin

But take db to view house shares and do it together at first at least. He's living with you so in theory you can be in his ear more about what it's actually like.

How old exactly is he?

19lottie82 · 23/09/2016 17:36

I also agree that he is going to struggle living in london when he clears £1100 a month.

He's going to be looking at £500 rent, bills, travel, food...... this will prob come to about a grand!

Does the internship guarantee a better paid job at the end of it? And if so, when?

I agree with him looking for a second job to help ends meet. A bar job will increase his confidence and he will make new friends (plus he will be out a few evenings a week!)

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/09/2016 17:38

I think you have to sod what your mother thinks. You and your brother are grown ups - although she's treating him like he's 13. Does your brother listen to you and your partner? I'm sure you know how the rental market works and could point him in the right direction. As for paying board, not ideal but in your situation, I would also want him to save his money and rent - as long as he uses the money for this! I'd be pushing him to find somewhere asap and liaising with your dad. Try to cut your mum out of the loop as she's being extremely unhelpful.

Koan · 23/09/2016 17:44

I think your mother is threatened by DB doing a houseshare as it could lead him out of his enmeshment with her far more quickly than the lonelier solution she's tring to push him into.

Ultimately agree with pps that you don't discuss his life or business with her. Frustrating as it is, feeling 'set up' by her in this way, you seem to be handling it very well op, all things considered.

namechangingagainagain · 23/09/2016 17:44

We did a similar thing with my younger brother when my mother fucked of to france emigrated. I know how difficult it is to help out but also not be taken advantage of!

I think the problem is that at the end of the day he is not your son, he's your brother and he is also an adult. So he needs to sort out what he's doing. It sounds like shes a way away. Do any 20 ish year old men living away ask for their mothers advice about where to live?? Seems crazy to me. Stop talking to her about him. I find the phrase " well, XXXX is a grown up now and so needs to make his own choices" used on loop is a good one.

As to handling crap parents I find the best way to deal with them is to lower your expectations and treat promises of help/money as a lot of hot air until it actually materialises... then any help is a bonus :)

AcrossthePond55 · 23/09/2016 17:47

I think you're a wonderful big sister. 'Baby Brother' is being given a great chance to grow up and be a responsible adult and it's because of you. Is there any way you can just cut your mum out of the equation? You know by now that her 'contributions', financial AND emotional, will not be forthcoming, so you may as well just start fresh from today as far as what he can and cannot afford.

Would he be amenable to sitting down with you and/or your DP and working out a budget based on his current wages? Maybe once he sees the realities of living in London he'll be better able to see that the place Mum wants him to live is out of the question.

It may be that she perceives this place as something else to brag about to her friends, how her son is living in this 'Shi-Shi Foo-Foo' (American for fancy-schmancy) young professionals housing to make it seem as if he's making the 'big bucks'. Kinda like Hyacinth Bucket's 'room for a polo pony' brag.

OurBlanche · 23/09/2016 17:51

Please consider the thought that your mum might be dividing to conquer... telling him one thing and you another.

It took DSis and I decades to work that out, I wish we had had the opportunity for a frank, adult chat when we were in our 20s.

Sit him down and explain the full finances and mechanics of it, what your DM and DF said they would do, what they have done. Tell DB that he needs to grow up now right now if he wants to make the very most of his work opportunities.

You never know, being brutally honest, with facts and figures, not continuing the 'babying' behaviour you admit to Smile might work!

Good luck!

MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 18:08

He was 20 in July. Didn't consider uni as Mum told him he wasn't bright in that way Hmm but actually for the job he's in now he'll be getting a leg up before his peers graduate, if it works out. The position became available when the last person moved up in the company so it could happen for him. He works some shifts on weekends/late nights so not much chance of a second job.

We've just signed another yearbook out flat and waited ages for one to come up where we wanted it (we were both on our third house share prior to that) so don't want/couldn't easily afford to move again right now. I do wish we had a little box room or something/ would be much better!

Think when we get in tonight we will go to the pub or something, talk it over and go through the options with a drink and on neautral territory.

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PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 23/09/2016 18:12

Your brother needs to step up a bit, pretty much everyone I knew who moved to London after school/uni ended up in some flat share flea pits in not the best parts of town, that's kind of how it works when you start out. Not sure where the £1000 a month figure came from, you can rent a room for way less then that. He might have to set his sights a bit lower and maybe put up with a longer commute. We have all been there, we all ended up furnishing our humble abodes with second hand stuff from gumtree or stuff we found in the back of a skip and lived on super noodles and cans of beer. We all laugh about it now, it was a rite of passage!

MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 18:19

You can definitely text a room for way less than that but that's the start up moving cost- advance rent and a months rent as deposit.

He was always going to struggle a bit financially as we've all done I suppose. I certainly didn't float around Oxford street TOPSHOP every weekend like I imagined I would when I moved here six years ago! Mum keeps telling him how 'depressed' (and I WISH she wouldn't bandy around that term so flippantly) that he won't be able to afford to go to Urban Outfitters, clubbing etc.

My partner and I, to encourage him to take the job, said we'd give him £50 a month between us. Not much but it'll help. My mum practically bit my hand off when I said that and started bombarding me with expensive places he could live.

The £50 a month for us would be a hopefully temporary sacrifice until he's on a better wage. We'd certainly like to be able to put it aside for ourselves.

All about bragging and one upmanship with my mum. Even though she doesn't come from money, has no money, will not come into any money, doesn't even earn her own money!! Exactly how AcrossthePond says.

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MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 18:28

Rent not bloody text, sorry

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AyeAmarok · 23/09/2016 18:53

Your mum sounds a total nightmare.

But I do think you need to sit down with him and explain that he's going to have to make sacrifices at first and that that's normal - and that of he's looking at his mum and how she spends beyond her means and thinks that's what life is like, it's not...

Leopard12 · 23/09/2016 19:18

I lived on less wages than that in London on my trainee year in London (but did get free lunches at work) tell him you can accompany him on some viewings, I found mine on spare room it was the fourth out of 5 viewings that weekend (didn't live near) and cancelled the last as it was perfect and clicked instantly with the flat mate who was there. My most recent house I had to pay first months rent, 6 weeks deposit and £350 estate agent fees (may not apply or be less in house share) so it can rise pretty high and he's probably going to need help with this unless your willing to wait another month for him to save up.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/09/2016 21:29

Honestly, the best thing for your DB is to be as far away from your 'd'M as possible. She's what we refer to as a 'smother mother', one who won't ever want him to live his own life. He exists to be a credit/showpiece to her, as it were. The less influence she has on him, the better.

Best thing for DB would be to make some new friends ASAP and begin to have a 'social life' in London, even if that life consists of sitting in a park or kicking a ball around somewhere because they don't have two brass farthings to rub together. Does he have any interests that might lead to new acquaintances? Do you have any friends who may have siblings near his age?

MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 22:01

Across he likes the gym.

We are currently having a drink or two and trying to council him into realising that to have any kind of life here it would be madness to saddle himself with that much rent.

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MadHattersWineParty · 23/09/2016 22:30

It's not easy. He cried?!Sad

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AdaLovelacesCat · 23/09/2016 22:34

why did he cry? The thought of a shared house? surely not?

AyeAmarok · 23/09/2016 22:35

Oh dear.

Why?

Tears of "why is my mother such a freak and trying to ruin my life", or tears of "it's not fair, I want to live the high life and other people won't fund it for me so I can't shop in Urban Outfitters every weekend"?

Lovewineandchocs · 23/09/2016 22:36

Cried at the thought of upsetting your DM?

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 23/09/2016 22:48

He sounds very immature. A flat share could be the making of him.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/09/2016 23:20

Oh dear, he cried?

Maybe it's all just too much for him, first time away from home and all. What he thinks he wants, what he thinks Mum wants, and what you think may be best for him.

My young adult DS2 is a very sensitive soul. He frets about what he wants to do vs wanting everyone to be happy with his decisions even if we think they aren't the most realistic. He wants to talk about things, but there are times when, during discussions like these, we just have to back away and give him time to digest what we've said. Maybe your brother needs that time, too.

ohtheholidays · 23/09/2016 23:20

Oh bless him,he's very lucky to have you despite what your Mothers put you through you sound really lovely.

I hope he does stay with you and then finds somewhere he likes that he can share.

Does your little brother talk to your Dad much OP?If they get on well it might be worth you telling your Dad what's going on/what your Mum's been upto that way he might be able to talk to your brother and reasure him about it being a good idea that he stays and doesn't move home.

You've been where he is now yourself,if it was my younger sibling I think I'd be focusing on the positive for now and telling him all the great things you got to experience,all the things you did all the new people you met.
That might help turn it all around so he starts looking forward to all the new changes that are going to be happening for him.